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Steam deck in the bedroom, watching starwars with the wife... in the bedroom, has a pitbull, pitbull bites your infant in the face, terrible startup ideas, and

by fein 3y ago

Steam deck in the bedroom, watching starwars with the wife... in the bedroom, has a pitbull, pitbull bites your infant in the face, terrible startup ideas, and the wife airs the dirty laundry on business insider - for startup reporter clout. Are these people a meme, is this story even real, and just what the fuck in general? This article isn't even really about a failed startup but rather a pair of messed up people on both sides who now expose their infant to their insanity. What a pair of foul individuals.

Toutouxc 3y ago
I couldn’t believe the “let’s kill the dog for scratching the kid’s face” part. People will punch you in the face if you startle them enough, why should the dog be any different? And they won’t ever consider putting him up for adoption or something, it’s straight to the vet and euthanise him? What the actual fuck is wrong with the people. edit: This is very relevant to me because the very same thing happened to me as a kid. One of our family dogs bit me in the face because I was tugging on her tail (like in a painful way). It was completely my fault, no one blamed anyone else than me and no, we didn’t kill the dog. We kept her and I have many happy memories of her.
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- fein 3y ago
  The dog didn't scratch her, it bit her in the face. And she didn't even grab the dogs tail, she just startled it.
  - Toutouxc 3y ago
    Yes, dogs can startle too. As far as we know, there is nothing wrong with the dog.
    - lazide 3y ago
      As far as they saw (and based on their decisions), there was. Not our circus, not our problem.
      - Toutouxc 3y ago
        Yeah, but this is not someone burning their garden furniture because their kid fell from it. They’re deciding to kill a living thing because it got startled once.
        lazide 3y ago
        They decided to kill (euthanize) an animal with a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans. Humans they had a duty to protect. I’ve been around dogs for 4 decades, I’ve never seen one bite a child’s face. Even ones that really, really would have deserved it. Could it happen? Sure. However, I have seen dogs that were deranged and dangerous to themselves and others bite people before, and owners try to defend them as being okay though. Multiple times. One the police had to put down after its 4th attack on an innocent bystander, while the owner cried and blamed the police.
        pdonis 3y ago
        > a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans One incident, in which the human was arguably at least partly at fault (and in which the adult humans who run the house are at fault--see below), is not "a history". The article says they have had the dog for six years. And now they want to euthanize him over one incident, in which the kid turned out to be OK? That's not something I would even think of. They should be thinking about how to help the dog coexist with their kid--and asking themselves why they weren't thinking about that before they brought the kid into their household that already had the dog. At the very most, if they are simply incapable of managing both the dog and the kid, they should be looking for another owner to take the dog. Killing the dog should not be on the table at all. (Frankly, I would question the competence of a vet that would agree to euthanize a pet for this, instead of advising the people to find another owner if they can't work it out themselves. Every vet we have had has told us explicitly that they never recommend euthanasia except as an absolute last resort for a pet that is terminally ill and suffering. We would stop taking our dogs to any vet that said otherwise.)
- slap_shot 3y ago
  Pitbull ownership is a contentious subject and just overall a very shitty situation. I've seen a pitbull kill another dog and two other pitbulls attack children. That lead me to look at data, and while there is conflicting data, I walked away with the impression that pitbulls are disproportionately more dangerous and should not be kept as pets. I agree that they should explored other options to see if the dog could have been given to another owner in an environment better suited for a pitbull. I don't know that one exists, but if you choose to own a pitbull, you hold that responsibility when you decide to disown it.
  - leptons 3y ago
    I'll add that pit bulls are banned in many countries because they are dangerous. Sure they are perfectly fine most of the time, but when they decide to attack there is little anyone can do to stop them, and it often results in death of other animals or humans. And sometimes they just attack for the fun of it, there are many documented cases of that.
- Der_Einzige 3y ago
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  - leptons 3y ago
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    - Toutouxc 3y ago
      > The statistics do not lie - pit bulls account for 67% of all dog breeds involved in fatal dog attacks, while the breed is only 6% of all dogs. I wonder how much this is skewed by pit bulls often being owned and [not] trained by a … specific type of people.
      - leptons 3y ago
        You can wonder all you want, it won't change the fact that these dogs were bred to fight until death, and that is exactly where the danger is. The danger isn't when the dog is sleeping, the danger isn't when the dog is docile, the danger is when the dog's gameness kicks in and its instinct is to fight until death. And they're very good at doing what they were bred for. When most other dog breeds attack, the attack is usually over quickly, people can separate the animal from its target, but not with pit bulls. There are videos of pit bulls attacking horses for fun, and continuing to attack even after the horse kicks the pit bull several times. This is not behavior due to how the dog was raised or trained. Nobody can train away this kind of instinct the dog was bred to have. Even the famous dog trainer Cesar Milan's pit bull has attacked and killed other animals, famously killing Queen Latifah's pet dog. So no, it's not because pit bulls aren't being trained or because they are owned by shitty owners. These dogs are a menace to society, and rightfully banned in many countries.
    - idopmstuff 3y ago
      From the HN guidelines: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." Very plausible to interpret the post you're responding to as just saying that pitbulls, like Black people, are treated more poorly by society than other groups.
- leptons 3y ago
  The girl is lucky to be alive, because pit bulls are a dangerous breed that often refuses to stop attacking - they are specifically known for that behavior, as they were bred to be fighting dogs. Putting down a pit bull after it bites a child is absolutely reasonable.
  - pdonis 3y ago
    > pit bulls are a dangerous breed that often refuses to stop attacking Generalizations like this are not reliable. Dogs reflect the treatment they get from their owners. But in any case, we don't need to generalize about this pit bull, because the article tells us that they have had him for six years and he has had no problems. This looks to me like a simple case of owners bringing a kid into a household that already has a dog, and not putting enough thought into how to manage that situation, which is going to be stressful for any dog, regardless of breed. That is on the owners, not the dog.
    - MattPalmer1086 3y ago
      What would your solution be?
      - pdonis 3y ago
        I've already given it in several places elsewhere in this thread, including my response to leptons just upthread from your post.
    - leptons 3y ago
      >Dogs reflect the treatment they get from their owners. Dogs are bread to have specific traits - every dog breed. Pit bulls were bred for a specific purpose, to fight until death. How you can completely ignore that to create the narrative you wish were true is another story. You're reasoning about why the dog bit the kid, without recognizing the lethality of pit bulls when they attack. That kid is very lucky, because that dog could have tore her head off her neck. You can keep ignoring the evidence and reality if you want, but statistics do not lie - pit bulls make up 6% of all dogs and they are responsible for 67% of all fatal dog attacks. It's not how they're raised, it's literally in their genetics to fight until death. Dangerous breeds are called "dangerous breeds" for a reason - because they're dangerous. Don't take it from me, many countries have banned pit bulls because they are dangerous.
- sneed_chucker 3y ago
  Pit bulls should be summarily euthanized and it should not be legal to keep them as pets. Look up the numbers on how many maulings of children are disproportionately done by this breed.
bigstrat2003 3y ago
I don't understand what is so wrong about watching TV together in the bedroom. It's pretty normal for couples to do something low key in bed together.
- Der_Einzige 3y ago
  I think OP is the person who made Obama's tan suit a "controversy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controve...
  - fein 3y ago
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    - golergka 3y ago
      > sleeping and fucking, both of which are activities that should be undertaken without distractions There's a lot of very various "distractions" people bring into fucking. Porn, toys, other people, drugs. Don't be judgemental.
  - iliaznk 3y ago
    What was wrong about the suit? Was it considered too informal for the subject matter?
golergka 3y ago
> Steam deck in the bedroom > watching starwars with the wife... in the bedroom What's messed up about this? > terrible startup ideas I mean... aren't those the vast majority of startup ideas? Agree about pit bull though. That part was wild.
mplewis 3y ago
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sdfghswe 3y ago
> When I get tripped up on jargon such as "transformer" or "smart contracts" or anything Marc Andreessen blogs, Kyle is my Google Translate for tech speak. These people are hype merchants.

by fein 3y ago

Toutouxc 3y ago

I couldn’t believe the “let’s kill the dog for scratching the kid’s face” part. People will punch you in the face if you startle them enough, why should the dog be any different? And they won’t ever consider putting him up for adoption or something, it’s straight to the vet and euthanise him? What the actual fuck is wrong with the people. edit: This is very relevant to me because the very same thing happened to me as a kid. One of our family dogs bit me in the face because I was tugging on her tail (like in a painful way). It was completely my fault, no one blamed anyone else than me and no, we didn’t kill the dog. We kept her and I have many happy memories of her.

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fein 3y ago
The dog didn't scratch her, it bit her in the face. And she didn't even grab the dogs tail, she just startled it.
- Toutouxc 3y ago
  Yes, dogs can startle too. As far as we know, there is nothing wrong with the dog.
  - lazide 3y ago
    As far as they saw (and based on their decisions), there was. Not our circus, not our problem.
    - Toutouxc 3y ago
      Yeah, but this is not someone burning their garden furniture because their kid fell from it. They’re deciding to kill a living thing because it got startled once.
      - lazide 3y ago
        They decided to kill (euthanize) an animal with a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans. Humans they had a duty to protect. I’ve been around dogs for 4 decades, I’ve never seen one bite a child’s face. Even ones that really, really would have deserved it. Could it happen? Sure. However, I have seen dogs that were deranged and dangerous to themselves and others bite people before, and owners try to defend them as being okay though. Multiple times. One the police had to put down after its 4th attack on an innocent bystander, while the owner cried and blamed the police.
        pdonis 3y ago
        > a history of dangerous behavior towards defenseless humans One incident, in which the human was arguably at least partly at fault (and in which the adult humans who run the house are at fault--see below), is not "a history". The article says they have had the dog for six years. And now they want to euthanize him over one incident, in which the kid turned out to be OK? That's not something I would even think of. They should be thinking about how to help the dog coexist with their kid--and asking themselves why they weren't thinking about that before they brought the kid into their household that already had the dog. At the very most, if they are simply incapable of managing both the dog and the kid, they should be looking for another owner to take the dog. Killing the dog should not be on the table at all. (Frankly, I would question the competence of a vet that would agree to euthanize a pet for this, instead of advising the people to find another owner if they can't work it out themselves. Every vet we have had has told us explicitly that they never recommend euthanasia except as an absolute last resort for a pet that is terminally ill and suffering. We would stop taking our dogs to any vet that said otherwise.)
slap_shot 3y ago
Pitbull ownership is a contentious subject and just overall a very shitty situation. I've seen a pitbull kill another dog and two other pitbulls attack children. That lead me to look at data, and while there is conflicting data, I walked away with the impression that pitbulls are disproportionately more dangerous and should not be kept as pets. I agree that they should explored other options to see if the dog could have been given to another owner in an environment better suited for a pitbull. I don't know that one exists, but if you choose to own a pitbull, you hold that responsibility when you decide to disown it.
- leptons 3y ago
  I'll add that pit bulls are banned in many countries because they are dangerous. Sure they are perfectly fine most of the time, but when they decide to attack there is little anyone can do to stop them, and it often results in death of other animals or humans. And sometimes they just attack for the fun of it, there are many documented cases of that.
Der_Einzige 3y ago
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- leptons 3y ago
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  - Toutouxc 3y ago
    > The statistics do not lie - pit bulls account for 67% of all dog breeds involved in fatal dog attacks, while the breed is only 6% of all dogs. I wonder how much this is skewed by pit bulls often being owned and [not] trained by a … specific type of people.
    - leptons 3y ago
      You can wonder all you want, it won't change the fact that these dogs were bred to fight until death, and that is exactly where the danger is. The danger isn't when the dog is sleeping, the danger isn't when the dog is docile, the danger is when the dog's gameness kicks in and its instinct is to fight until death. And they're very good at doing what they were bred for. When most other dog breeds attack, the attack is usually over quickly, people can separate the animal from its target, but not with pit bulls. There are videos of pit bulls attacking horses for fun, and continuing to attack even after the horse kicks the pit bull several times. This is not behavior due to how the dog was raised or trained. Nobody can train away this kind of instinct the dog was bred to have. Even the famous dog trainer Cesar Milan's pit bull has attacked and killed other animals, famously killing Queen Latifah's pet dog. So no, it's not because pit bulls aren't being trained or because they are owned by shitty owners. These dogs are a menace to society, and rightfully banned in many countries.
  - idopmstuff 3y ago
    From the HN guidelines: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." Very plausible to interpret the post you're responding to as just saying that pitbulls, like Black people, are treated more poorly by society than other groups.
leptons 3y ago
The girl is lucky to be alive, because pit bulls are a dangerous breed that often refuses to stop attacking - they are specifically known for that behavior, as they were bred to be fighting dogs. Putting down a pit bull after it bites a child is absolutely reasonable.
- pdonis 3y ago
  > pit bulls are a dangerous breed that often refuses to stop attacking Generalizations like this are not reliable. Dogs reflect the treatment they get from their owners. But in any case, we don't need to generalize about this pit bull, because the article tells us that they have had him for six years and he has had no problems. This looks to me like a simple case of owners bringing a kid into a household that already has a dog, and not putting enough thought into how to manage that situation, which is going to be stressful for any dog, regardless of breed. That is on the owners, not the dog.
  - MattPalmer1086 3y ago
    What would your solution be?
    - pdonis 3y ago
      I've already given it in several places elsewhere in this thread, including my response to leptons just upthread from your post.
  - leptons 3y ago
    >Dogs reflect the treatment they get from their owners. Dogs are bread to have specific traits - every dog breed. Pit bulls were bred for a specific purpose, to fight until death. How you can completely ignore that to create the narrative you wish were true is another story. You're reasoning about why the dog bit the kid, without recognizing the lethality of pit bulls when they attack. That kid is very lucky, because that dog could have tore her head off her neck. You can keep ignoring the evidence and reality if you want, but statistics do not lie - pit bulls make up 6% of all dogs and they are responsible for 67% of all fatal dog attacks. It's not how they're raised, it's literally in their genetics to fight until death. Dangerous breeds are called "dangerous breeds" for a reason - because they're dangerous. Don't take it from me, many countries have banned pit bulls because they are dangerous.
sneed_chucker 3y ago
Pit bulls should be summarily euthanized and it should not be legal to keep them as pets. Look up the numbers on how many maulings of children are disproportionately done by this breed.

bigstrat2003 3y ago

I don't understand what is so wrong about watching TV together in the bedroom. It's pretty normal for couples to do something low key in bed together.

Der_Einzige 3y ago
I think OP is the person who made Obama's tan suit a "controversy". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controve...
- fein 3y ago
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  - golergka 3y ago
    > sleeping and fucking, both of which are activities that should be undertaken without distractions There's a lot of very various "distractions" people bring into fucking. Porn, toys, other people, drugs. Don't be judgemental.
- iliaznk 3y ago
  What was wrong about the suit? Was it considered too informal for the subject matter?

golergka 3y ago

> Steam deck in the bedroom > watching starwars with the wife... in the bedroom What's messed up about this? > terrible startup ideas I mean... aren't those the vast majority of startup ideas? Agree about pit bull though. That part was wild.

mplewis 3y ago

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sdfghswe 3y ago

> When I get tripped up on jargon such as "transformer" or "smart contracts" or anything Marc Andreessen blogs, Kyle is my Google Translate for tech speak. These people are hype merchants.