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Amazon is infamous for treating employees poorly. The label “PIP factory” started with Amazon. Yet, thousands of people flock to them for jobs. You can’t really

Amazon is infamous for treating employees poorly. The label “PIP factory” started with Amazon. Yet, thousands of people flock to them for jobs. You can’t really blame Amazon at this point, they’ll use all the leverage they have because they know they can.

hamandcheese 3y ago
At least in my circles, I only know people who have left Amazon. I've never met someone who went to Amazon mid career.
- hef19898 3y ago
  We don't know each other personally, but I fall in both groups. Don't regret it, and woupd do it again at the same point in my career. Because you learn more there in a year than you do in at least 5 elsewhere.
- wnolens 3y ago
  I did. It was terrible for my mental health.
- RandallBrown 3y ago
  I've met a few, but it's certainly less common.
no_wizard 3y ago
The flip side is their stock options are generous, they have (had?) generous hiring bonuses and their salary was good enough, and you got a top 10 business on your resume. Then, there is always a chance you land on a team that isn't dysfunctional at least for a couple years and you learn a ton. Amazon allows you to learn in abundance when you work on a functional team. Eventually, the system eats you alive, or you move high enough up the chain that the system changes
- eschneider 3y ago
  Only if you live long enough to vest and it seems the majority of folks don't.
- darth_avocado 3y ago
  Amazon doesn’t do options, only RSUs. Their vest cycle is back loaded to 5/15/35/45. Meaning you only get your money if you survive the pip factory for more than 3 years. Which from my personal experience, is a tall ask.
  - joeframbach 3y ago
    The 401k match also has a 3-year vesting period.
danaris 3y ago
Speak for yourself. I can blame Amazon all the live long day. Having absurd amounts of money and power, such that you can, to a large extent, do what you please doesn't absolve you from considering ethics and being kind. Quite the reverse, in my book. "With great power comes great responsibility" is cliché because it's true. Every one of the managers and executives at Amazon who make these decisions, sign off on them, and enforce them, while drawing six (or more) figure salaries and, in many cases, working from home themselves are culpable for this, and I can, will, and should blame them for their hypocrisy, lack of empathy, and refusal to treat their employees as human beings equal to themselves.

hamandcheese 3y ago

At least in my circles, I only know people who have left Amazon. I've never met someone who went to Amazon mid career.

hef19898 3y ago
We don't know each other personally, but I fall in both groups. Don't regret it, and woupd do it again at the same point in my career. Because you learn more there in a year than you do in at least 5 elsewhere.
wnolens 3y ago
I did. It was terrible for my mental health.
RandallBrown 3y ago
I've met a few, but it's certainly less common.

no_wizard 3y ago

The flip side is their stock options are generous, they have (had?) generous hiring bonuses and their salary was good enough, and you got a top 10 business on your resume. Then, there is always a chance you land on a team that isn't dysfunctional at least for a couple years and you learn a ton. Amazon allows you to learn in abundance when you work on a functional team. Eventually, the system eats you alive, or you move high enough up the chain that the system changes

eschneider 3y ago
Only if you live long enough to vest and it seems the majority of folks don't.
darth_avocado 3y ago
Amazon doesn’t do options, only RSUs. Their vest cycle is back loaded to 5/15/35/45. Meaning you only get your money if you survive the pip factory for more than 3 years. Which from my personal experience, is a tall ask.
- joeframbach 3y ago
  The 401k match also has a 3-year vesting period.

danaris 3y ago

Speak for yourself. I can blame Amazon all the live long day. Having absurd amounts of money and power, such that you can, to a large extent, do what you please doesn't absolve you from considering ethics and being kind. Quite the reverse, in my book. "With great power comes great responsibility" is cliché because it's true. Every one of the managers and executives at Amazon who make these decisions, sign off on them, and enforce them, while drawing six (or more) figure salaries and, in many cases, working from home themselves are culpable for this, and I can, will, and should blame them for their hypocrisy, lack of empathy, and refusal to treat their employees as human beings equal to themselves.