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And this is the real reason they lock the bootloader to stop rooting our phones. Gapps takes up I don't even know how many gigs of space. Then Samsung decides

And this is the real reason they lock the bootloader to stop rooting our phones. Gapps takes up I don't even know how many gigs of space. Then Samsung decides to put their apps on top of the gapps and all the other garbage they stop us from uninstalling. We need to own the things we buy. Period.

kllrnohj 3y ago
> And this is the real reason they lock the bootloader to stop rooting our phones. No it isn't that's a ridiculous position to take. Also every Google phone for the last decade has had an unlockable bootloader. Take it up with Samsung if they refuse to do the same, although a quick internet search suggests many of the recent generations of Samsung devices also have unlockable bootloaders.
- effingwewt 3y ago
  What's ridiculous is trusting a PR release from either of thwse companies. Samsung locks all of their bootloaders citing as always 'security. I own currently the Samsung s20+ and the Samsung s21 ultra and all the models of both phones have locked bootloaders and Samsung's garbage, unused Knox security. Samsung at one point had a hardware fuse that blew if you tried to bypass it. I speak from first hand knowledge of working on hardware and rooting phones since they were introduced. We've known for a decade or more now that was all of this was bullshit to preserve all the pre-loaded bloatware. Google phones having unlocked bootloaders is besides the point. Google phones aren't being discussed here, Samsung are. You simply stated my position was ridiculous without offering a single cogent counterpoint.
  - my123 3y ago
    Samsung devices in non-US locales don't have locked bootloaders. You can import a Galaxy phone from Hong Kong or the EU for example. The lockdown in the US seems to be driven by carriers
    - effingwewt 3y ago
      Doesn't change the fact it exists. Why do people keep trying to derail the conversation. This is about the US market.
  - jsnell 3y ago
    > Google phones having unlocked bootloaders is besides the point. Google phones aren't being discussed here, Samsung are. It's not beside the point when your initial claim was that Google was the reason for locked Samsung bootloaders. But if that were the case, why would their own phones be unlocked?
    - effingwewt 3y ago
      Because google is paying to force their apps. Obviously google has no reason to lock their own phones. Samsung gets to have it both ways. They get paid by google to force their apps, and then Samsung can force whatever shovelware they want under the huise of 'security'
      - my123 3y ago
        Google is forcing a lot of things, but boot loaders to be locked isn't one of them

kllrnohj 3y ago

> And this is the real reason they lock the bootloader to stop rooting our phones. No it isn't that's a ridiculous position to take. Also every Google phone for the last decade has had an unlockable bootloader. Take it up with Samsung if they refuse to do the same, although a quick internet search suggests many of the recent generations of Samsung devices also have unlockable bootloaders.

effingwewt 3y ago
What's ridiculous is trusting a PR release from either of thwse companies. Samsung locks all of their bootloaders citing as always 'security. I own currently the Samsung s20+ and the Samsung s21 ultra and all the models of both phones have locked bootloaders and Samsung's garbage, unused Knox security. Samsung at one point had a hardware fuse that blew if you tried to bypass it. I speak from first hand knowledge of working on hardware and rooting phones since they were introduced. We've known for a decade or more now that was all of this was bullshit to preserve all the pre-loaded bloatware. Google phones having unlocked bootloaders is besides the point. Google phones aren't being discussed here, Samsung are. You simply stated my position was ridiculous without offering a single cogent counterpoint.
- my123 3y ago
  Samsung devices in non-US locales don't have locked bootloaders. You can import a Galaxy phone from Hong Kong or the EU for example. The lockdown in the US seems to be driven by carriers
  - effingwewt 3y ago
    Doesn't change the fact it exists. Why do people keep trying to derail the conversation. This is about the US market.
- jsnell 3y ago
  > Google phones having unlocked bootloaders is besides the point. Google phones aren't being discussed here, Samsung are. It's not beside the point when your initial claim was that Google was the reason for locked Samsung bootloaders. But if that were the case, why would their own phones be unlocked?
  - effingwewt 3y ago
    Because google is paying to force their apps. Obviously google has no reason to lock their own phones. Samsung gets to have it both ways. They get paid by google to force their apps, and then Samsung can force whatever shovelware they want under the huise of 'security'
    - my123 3y ago
      Google is forcing a lot of things, but boot loaders to be locked isn't one of them