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Living the high life, literally in terms of the ceilings. Having ceilings like that is so mind-blowing in a living space, as it opens everything up drastically.

by bmitc 3y ago

Living the high life, literally in terms of the ceilings. Having ceilings like that is so mind-blowing in a living space, as it opens everything up drastically. That is an insane rent. From the description, the size is great. What is the condition and quality of the place? And I'm not all that familiar with New York's neighborhoods. Is low 80s upper east side a good neighborhood?

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
High ceilings mean flats also take a lot more energy to heat in winter. If heating were out of my own pocket, I might pass on a flat with high ceilings even if rent were attractively low. Do NYC blocks like the GP describes typically include heating in the rent?
- FFP999 3y ago
  Probably more like, if you can afford the rent on a place like this, you're in a position where you don't even notice the heating bill.
- kortilla 3y ago
  $6000/mo lower. Do you realize how much heat that buys?
- mdhen 3y ago
  yes, old buildings will have central radiator heating and the heat is free. Very high probability the apartment in question has this.
- deleted 3y ago
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FFP999 3y ago
> Is low 80s upper east side a good neighborhood? It's what most people would consider so, yes. It's an upper-middle-class area, clean and safe, if more than a little stuffy and uptight.
- chimeracoder 3y ago
  > t's an upper-middle-class area That's an understatement. It's consistently one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest (depending on the year) locations in the entire country.
  - FFP999 3y ago
    It's wealthy, but not anywhere near the wealthiest area in the country, or even in Manhattan.
    - chimeracoder 3y ago
      > It's wealthy, but not anywhere near the wealthiest area in the country, or even in Manhattan. It is, depending on the year, how you measure it, and what you consider "Upper East Side". That last part is important: the UES has three main subneighborhoods with very different demographics and characteristics. It's also adjacent to East Harlem, which is historically not wealthy and brings the mean/median down for any measure that includes part of it. For example, here the Upper East Side is listed as the wealthiest neighborhood in the entire city, all five boroughs: https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/27/15881706/nyc-richest-neighborhoods-manhattan-brooklyn https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/27/15881706/nyc-richest-neighbo.... This is using household income, which is one measure. Alternate measures include median rent (skewed due to rent regulations), net worth, property values, etc. Point is: calling the upper east side an "upper middle class" area is an understatement. If it's not a wealthy neighborhood, then nowhere is.
    - busterarm 3y ago
      Bethesda, MD and the surrounding areas, please stand up.
  - sethhochberg 3y ago
    The averages skew things a bit here. Yes, many of the wealthiest people in the world live in the UES, but in between those single-family mansions and full service buildings full of quiet billionaires on the park, there are plenty of unremarkable apartments occupied by white-collar families. Its a more affordable neighborhood to rent in than some other family-oriented parts of Manhattan.
Rietty 3y ago
It's one of the wealthier neighbourhoods afaik, so apparently it's pretty nice. I think 'low 80s' means when they started renting there.
- FFP999 3y ago
  "Early 80s" would refer to the year. "Lower 80s" in Manhattan means they live somewhere in the area bounded to the south by 80th Street and to the north by 85th Street--which includes part of the Upper East Side.
ghaff 3y ago
>Is low 80s upper east side a good neighborhood? Yes. That's basically east of Central Park at the southern end of museum mile. So, generally, a very good (if somewhat sleepy) neighborhood.
j5r5myk 3y ago
I know you are asking genuinely but to a New Yorker it sounds like you’re making a joke. A few from facts from Wikipedia [1]. “It has long been the most affluent neighborhood in New York City.” “The Upper East Side maintains the highest pricing per square foot in the United States.” “Four of the top five ZIP Codes in the nation for political contributions are in Manhattan. The top ZIP Code, 10021, is on the Upper East Side and generated the most money for the 2004 presidential campaigns of both George W. Bush and John Kerry.” [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_East_Side https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_East_Side
- bmitc 3y ago
  I figured, but my perception of Manhattan is that neighborhoods can change drastically from one street block to the next, so while I know the upper east side is generally, well, upper, I wasn't confident in the exact location. Also, I was just flat out lazy and didn't bother looking up the street numbers on a map, where I would have realized the proximity to Central Park.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    Aside from a few historically sleazy streets/areas in the past, I don't really associate those sorts of sharp boundaries with Manhattan nearly as much as I do some other cities, especially in the South. (Though, for obvious reasons, apartment buildings/condos across from Central Park tend to be higher-end than those east of there.)
busterarm 3y ago
Those low-80s UES buildings are mostly walkups or have the worlds worst/slowest/broken-est elevators. Also it's a miserable part of the city to live in.

by bmitc 3y ago

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

High ceilings mean flats also take a lot more energy to heat in winter. If heating were out of my own pocket, I might pass on a flat with high ceilings even if rent were attractively low. Do NYC blocks like the GP describes typically include heating in the rent?

FFP999 3y ago
Probably more like, if you can afford the rent on a place like this, you're in a position where you don't even notice the heating bill.
kortilla 3y ago
$6000/mo lower. Do you realize how much heat that buys?
mdhen 3y ago
yes, old buildings will have central radiator heating and the heat is free. Very high probability the apartment in question has this.
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FFP999 3y ago

> Is low 80s upper east side a good neighborhood? It's what most people would consider so, yes. It's an upper-middle-class area, clean and safe, if more than a little stuffy and uptight.

chimeracoder 3y ago
> t's an upper-middle-class area That's an understatement. It's consistently one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest (depending on the year) locations in the entire country.
- FFP999 3y ago
  It's wealthy, but not anywhere near the wealthiest area in the country, or even in Manhattan.
  - chimeracoder 3y ago
    > It's wealthy, but not anywhere near the wealthiest area in the country, or even in Manhattan. It is, depending on the year, how you measure it, and what you consider "Upper East Side". That last part is important: the UES has three main subneighborhoods with very different demographics and characteristics. It's also adjacent to East Harlem, which is historically not wealthy and brings the mean/median down for any measure that includes part of it. For example, here the Upper East Side is listed as the wealthiest neighborhood in the entire city, all five boroughs: https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/27/15881706/nyc-richest-neighborhoods-manhattan-brooklyn https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/27/15881706/nyc-richest-neighbo.... This is using household income, which is one measure. Alternate measures include median rent (skewed due to rent regulations), net worth, property values, etc. Point is: calling the upper east side an "upper middle class" area is an understatement. If it's not a wealthy neighborhood, then nowhere is.
  - busterarm 3y ago
    Bethesda, MD and the surrounding areas, please stand up.
- sethhochberg 3y ago
  The averages skew things a bit here. Yes, many of the wealthiest people in the world live in the UES, but in between those single-family mansions and full service buildings full of quiet billionaires on the park, there are plenty of unremarkable apartments occupied by white-collar families. Its a more affordable neighborhood to rent in than some other family-oriented parts of Manhattan.

Rietty 3y ago

It's one of the wealthier neighbourhoods afaik, so apparently it's pretty nice. I think 'low 80s' means when they started renting there.

FFP999 3y ago
"Early 80s" would refer to the year. "Lower 80s" in Manhattan means they live somewhere in the area bounded to the south by 80th Street and to the north by 85th Street--which includes part of the Upper East Side.

ghaff 3y ago

>Is low 80s upper east side a good neighborhood? Yes. That's basically east of Central Park at the southern end of museum mile. So, generally, a very good (if somewhat sleepy) neighborhood.

j5r5myk 3y ago

I know you are asking genuinely but to a New Yorker it sounds like you’re making a joke. A few from facts from Wikipedia [1]. “It has long been the most affluent neighborhood in New York City.” “The Upper East Side maintains the highest pricing per square foot in the United States.” “Four of the top five ZIP Codes in the nation for political contributions are in Manhattan. The top ZIP Code, 10021, is on the Upper East Side and generated the most money for the 2004 presidential campaigns of both George W. Bush and John Kerry.” [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_East_Side https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_East_Side

bmitc 3y ago
I figured, but my perception of Manhattan is that neighborhoods can change drastically from one street block to the next, so while I know the upper east side is generally, well, upper, I wasn't confident in the exact location. Also, I was just flat out lazy and didn't bother looking up the street numbers on a map, where I would have realized the proximity to Central Park.
- ghaff 3y ago
  Aside from a few historically sleazy streets/areas in the past, I don't really associate those sorts of sharp boundaries with Manhattan nearly as much as I do some other cities, especially in the South. (Though, for obvious reasons, apartment buildings/condos across from Central Park tend to be higher-end than those east of there.)

busterarm 3y ago

Those low-80s UES buildings are mostly walkups or have the worlds worst/slowest/broken-est elevators. Also it's a miserable part of the city to live in.