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ASUS?

by davidmurdoch 3y ago

ASUS?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
They're just as pricy as Samsung's flagships, or even more, while offering fewer years of SW updates. Also no go.
- davidmurdoch 3y ago
  No they aren't (ignoring the nonsense gamer phone category, since those are just a ploy to part a fool from their money).
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Yes they are. Their flagship Zenfone costs more than the Samsung S23, while offering fewer years of SW updates. That a very bad value for money and a bad deal in general.
    - davidmurdoch 3y ago
      I don't consider Samsung's flagship phone to be their base model S23.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        Why not? The S23 is the one who's dimensions and specs are closest to the ASUS Zenfone 10 yet is also cheaper to boot and offers more years of SW updates to the Zefone. https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12082&idPhone2=12380 https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12082&idPhone...
        davidmurdoch 3y ago
        Flagship means "the finest, largest, or most important one of a group of things". In any case, right now the base model S23 is $659 and the Zenfone 10 is $619.99 (on Amazon US). Maybe you live somewhere where the prices are different. I don't buy Samsung mostly because I loathe their advertising. They plastered historical monuments (like in Rome, Paris, etc) with billboards, and updated their SSD management software to serve ads. Android is often portrayed as a second-rate phone OS and Samsung makes it worse. Aside: the S23 doesn't even have a 3.5mm headphone jack; the lack of which negates any and all other features or benefits.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >Flagship means "the finest, largest, or most important one of a group of things". HN rules also say assume good faith and respond to the strongest interpretation of an argument, not the weakest, [just for a cheap jab]. Yeah sure, if you wanna be pedantic about it, the S23 Ultra is the most flagship of the flagships (the weak argument), but that's an entirely different class of devices to which Asus has no competitor as the S23 Ultra is bigger higher resolution screen and has a pen making it a phablet, so the nearest closest flagship competitor for the Asus is the vanilla S23 in size, specs and price to the Zenfone (the strongest argument) >Maybe you live somewhere where the prices are different. Yes they are. In Europe, cheapest prices on Geizhals: - S23 is ~650 Euros @ 5 years of SW updates - Zenfone 10 is ~717 Euros @ 3 years(?) of SW updates S23 wins hands down just for giving you more years of SW updates at a lower price for same specs. Nuff said. If you enjoy throwing away devices sooner because of ASUS's ridiculous update policy, then go for the Zenfone.
        davidmurdoch 3y ago
        I adhere to the actual definition of the word, and you adhere to the one that fit your narrative. You admit that my use of the word is correct, then accuse me of a cheap jab for using the word correctly? Like I said before, the S23 doesn't have a headphone jack, so for me it's not even in the running - so its OS updates don't matter. I usually find a reason to get a new phone before SW updates run out anyway. You value features that don't matter to me, and I value features that don't matter to you. You seem to take a stance ("you're basically out of options for something remotely competitive to Apple") that your values are the ones that should matter to others. > If you enjoy throwing away devices sooner berceuse of ASUS's shoddy update policy, then go for the Asus. I hope this was just sarcasm, or more imprecise wording on your part, but if not... you really shouldn't throw away your working devices just because they won't receive future software updates. p.s., I think the strongest interpretation of an argument is usually the one that most accurately reflects the established meanings and contexts of the terms involved, as well as the underlying facts and logic.

ASUS?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

They're just as pricy as Samsung's flagships, or even more, while offering fewer years of SW updates. Also no go.

davidmurdoch 3y ago
No they aren't (ignoring the nonsense gamer phone category, since those are just a ploy to part a fool from their money).
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Yes they are. Their flagship Zenfone costs more than the Samsung S23, while offering fewer years of SW updates. That a very bad value for money and a bad deal in general.
  - davidmurdoch 3y ago
    I don't consider Samsung's flagship phone to be their base model S23.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      Why not? The S23 is the one who's dimensions and specs are closest to the ASUS Zenfone 10 yet is also cheaper to boot and offers more years of SW updates to the Zefone. https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12082&idPhone2=12380 https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12082&idPhone...
      - davidmurdoch 3y ago
        Flagship means "the finest, largest, or most important one of a group of things". In any case, right now the base model S23 is $659 and the Zenfone 10 is $619.99 (on Amazon US). Maybe you live somewhere where the prices are different. I don't buy Samsung mostly because I loathe their advertising. They plastered historical monuments (like in Rome, Paris, etc) with billboards, and updated their SSD management software to serve ads. Android is often portrayed as a second-rate phone OS and Samsung makes it worse. Aside: the S23 doesn't even have a 3.5mm headphone jack; the lack of which negates any and all other features or benefits.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >Flagship means "the finest, largest, or most important one of a group of things". HN rules also say assume good faith and respond to the strongest interpretation of an argument, not the weakest, [just for a cheap jab]. Yeah sure, if you wanna be pedantic about it, the S23 Ultra is the most flagship of the flagships (the weak argument), but that's an entirely different class of devices to which Asus has no competitor as the S23 Ultra is bigger higher resolution screen and has a pen making it a phablet, so the nearest closest flagship competitor for the Asus is the vanilla S23 in size, specs and price to the Zenfone (the strongest argument) >Maybe you live somewhere where the prices are different. Yes they are. In Europe, cheapest prices on Geizhals: - S23 is ~650 Euros @ 5 years of SW updates - Zenfone 10 is ~717 Euros @ 3 years(?) of SW updates S23 wins hands down just for giving you more years of SW updates at a lower price for same specs. Nuff said. If you enjoy throwing away devices sooner because of ASUS's ridiculous update policy, then go for the Zenfone.
        davidmurdoch 3y ago
        I adhere to the actual definition of the word, and you adhere to the one that fit your narrative. You admit that my use of the word is correct, then accuse me of a cheap jab for using the word correctly? Like I said before, the S23 doesn't have a headphone jack, so for me it's not even in the running - so its OS updates don't matter. I usually find a reason to get a new phone before SW updates run out anyway. You value features that don't matter to me, and I value features that don't matter to you. You seem to take a stance ("you're basically out of options for something remotely competitive to Apple") that your values are the ones that should matter to others. > If you enjoy throwing away devices sooner berceuse of ASUS's shoddy update policy, then go for the Asus. I hope this was just sarcasm, or more imprecise wording on your part, but if not... you really shouldn't throw away your working devices just because they won't receive future software updates. p.s., I think the strongest interpretation of an argument is usually the one that most accurately reflects the established meanings and contexts of the terms involved, as well as the underlying facts and logic.