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What's your point? Summer - October 2022 only half of the French nuclear power plants were operational, they had to import electricity over long periods of time

What's your point? Summer - October 2022 only half of the French nuclear power plants were operational, they had to import electricity over long periods of time. However, that's the whole point of the European integrated electricity market, you diversify geographically and by generation. By building more renewable sources, we will need less and less fossil capacity.

troupo 3y ago
> Summer - October 2022 only half of the French nuclear power plants were operational, they had to import electricity over long periods of time. Indeed. And what's your point? > By building more renewable sources, we will need less and less fossil capacity. How many more renewables? The installed capacity of renewables in Germany is double its needs for power. The installed capacity of renewables in Denmark is 1.5 times its needs for power. Do we need 10 times more? 100 times more?
- poorlyknit 3y ago
  I think you're conflating the terms capacity and peak production here. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the peak production makes German electricity cheap enough to make everyone around them use it when it's available. If all the neighbors used this approach too, over the course of a day it would be everybody's turn to provide energy for the neighbors as renewables production will never be zero globally.
  - troupo 3y ago
    > I think you're conflating the terms capacity and peak production here. I'm not. What I'm pointing out is that renewables in Germany are significantly overprovisioned. And still produce just 15% of their installed capacity because it's a quiet cloudy day. > the peak production makes German electricity cheap enough to make everyone around them use it when it's available. Ah yes. When they are available. That's the point, isn't it? > If all the neighbors used this approach Denmark is at 150% of its needs, was importing 40% of its energy from neighbors, and, ironically, from Germany which was burning coal. So. How much each of the neighbors, and each of those neighbors' neighbors etc. need to overprovision renewables?
    - hef19898 3y ago
      As others have already asked, are renewables over provisioned or insufficient? You keep claiming both. And we get it, Germany burn coal for electricity. And we all know that is bad. Point taken and not objected.

troupo 3y ago

> Summer - October 2022 only half of the French nuclear power plants were operational, they had to import electricity over long periods of time. Indeed. And what's your point? > By building more renewable sources, we will need less and less fossil capacity. How many more renewables? The installed capacity of renewables in Germany is double its needs for power. The installed capacity of renewables in Denmark is 1.5 times its needs for power. Do we need 10 times more? 100 times more?

poorlyknit 3y ago
I think you're conflating the terms capacity and peak production here. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the peak production makes German electricity cheap enough to make everyone around them use it when it's available. If all the neighbors used this approach too, over the course of a day it would be everybody's turn to provide energy for the neighbors as renewables production will never be zero globally.
- troupo 3y ago
  > I think you're conflating the terms capacity and peak production here. I'm not. What I'm pointing out is that renewables in Germany are significantly overprovisioned. And still produce just 15% of their installed capacity because it's a quiet cloudy day. > the peak production makes German electricity cheap enough to make everyone around them use it when it's available. Ah yes. When they are available. That's the point, isn't it? > If all the neighbors used this approach Denmark is at 150% of its needs, was importing 40% of its energy from neighbors, and, ironically, from Germany which was burning coal. So. How much each of the neighbors, and each of those neighbors' neighbors etc. need to overprovision renewables?
  - hef19898 3y ago
    As others have already asked, are renewables over provisioned or insufficient? You keep claiming both. And we get it, Germany burn coal for electricity. And we all know that is bad. Point taken and not objected.