> I mean, hopefully it is, but to suggest that saying "both are lying to the same extent" is Russian propaganda seems poisonous to me. This is a fine starting

> I mean, hopefully it is, but to suggest that saying "both are lying to the same extent" is Russian propaganda seems poisonous to me. This is a fine starting point, but only if you ignore the mountains if evidence where Russia has consistently lied about everything from Ukraine being Nazis to who set up the torture chambers on liberated land, while racking up thousands of war crimes. Implying that both sides lies to the same extent is just stupid wrong, and is exactly the narrative that Russia wants to promote. Of course everyone uses propaganda, but there's an incredibly large difference between what the free world can get away with and what the totalitarian Russian government csn and will do.