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Yeah I really like this, and I also like how google is not giving up. I do think it has potential, and if google can hit it, it will be huge for the company. I

by jenius 15y ago

Yeah I really like this, and I also like how google is not giving up. I do think it has potential, and if google can hit it, it will be huge for the company. I think the piece that's missing is integration from other third party services - I would use my google+ account a lot more if I could post to it from apps I use often like twitter, instagram etc. There's always share to twitter in almost every app, which makes it easy. But to share anything to google+ i always have to go all the way to their site, which isn't worth it since many of my friends don't use it anyway.

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- jaysonelliot 15y ago
  I downvoted you for using the word "ghey" as some sort of perjorative, but the rest of what you're saying isn't doing much to dissuade me from my assessment. (Edit - the OP has edited to remove the word "ghey" since my comment, it was originally right before the phrase "blog posts" as an adjective.) IBM didn't lose out to an "operating system," if anything, it was Microsoft that made them capable of competing in the personal computer space. Google+ is not having trouble gaining traction because they don't have enough features. I get that you're trying to make a salient point about not underestimating new products, but it's not really cohesive. The fact that Microsoft and Google have succeeded with products in the past doesn't lead automatically to the conclusion that G+ is going to succeed. Google+ could be a success, or it could wither and die. For any positive example you cite, you could equally cite things like Microsoft BOB, the Zune, Apple Newton, OS/2, WebOS, Maemo, Sega Dreamcast, etc. There's far more to success than buckets of cash, innovation for the sake of innovation, or yard-long feature lists. I hope G+ continues to improve, but its success is not a foregone conclusion.
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  - yuhong 15y ago
    "IBM didn't lose out to an "operating system," if anything, it was Microsoft that made them capable of competing in the personal computer space." Yea, I discussed OS/2 before. The JDA was not particularly good, but the alternative MS chose was a lot worse, and that was MS's fault. See my username for my other posts discussing this matter.
jedc 15y ago
Part of me wants this, too. But the other part of me hates it when a majority of my Facebook timeline is just updates from apps, games, and other crap that get automatically shared. This is a delicate balance.
- raldi 15y ago
  On G+, you only see your friends' game update crap when you're on the Games tab.
  - jedc 15y ago
    True. But while I'd like to see some third-party auto-updates, I don't want to see all of them. This is the balance that needs to be struck.
  - dredmorbius 15y ago
    But you can't delete the games tab.
ed209 15y ago
One of the most hotly discussed API feature requests [1] but I'm nervous about it. I don't want my stream filled with junk the way my Facebook stream is. [1] http://code.google.com/p/google-plus-platform/issues/detail?id=41&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Component%20Owner%20Summary http://code.google.com/p/google-plus-platform/issues/detail?...
- cshenoy 15y ago
  > I don't want my stream filled with junk the way my Facebook stream is. I always wondered why the Google+ team didn't implement that from the get go but after reading that, that's probably the biggest reason as to why they haven't.
  - Lewisham 15y ago
    This is the reason: https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts/FXaGHpa1kWK https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts/FXaGHpa1... It's a not very thinly-veiled shot at frictionless sharing and the like. Having seen the hellhole my Facebook stream has become (while I've tried hard, it's almost impossible not to end up with unintended consequences for Apps and such), I'm on Vic's side.
- mindcrime 15y ago
  I don't want my stream filled with junk the way my Facebook stream is. Me either, but - IMO - the answer to this isn't to leave out the "write API," but rather the answer is to give users better filters and the ability to define their stream to meet their own desires. Of course doing so with a simple and intuitive UI is the tricky part, but hey... those G+ engineers make a lot of money, they should be able to come up with something, no?
  - ed209 15y ago
    > they should be able to come up with something, no? no! :) Probably the hardest thing in social media is noise filtering via a UI (it's hard for Google, it's hard for Facebook, it's just a hard problem). For my own (app) selfish reasons, I'd like to see a write api for comments first as that doesn't cause issues on the same scale as writing posts to the stream. Could be a nice place to start.
obituary_latte 15y ago
Giving up? This is all just part of the master plan. If/When Facebook implodes, there is already a place set up for everyone to go. Google has the staying power to weather a long lull in usership; there are other properties to support them. Facebook has 1 angle and history shows that to be a dangerous position--one bad decision can bring the whole thing crashing down a-la Digg. I'm surprised no one seems to see this.
- RobAtticus 15y ago
  I'm not saying Facebook is here to stay and has nothing to worry about, but Digg is a pretty poor comparison. What does it take for someone to switch news aggregators? Pretty much nothing. I just need to find another site that has links/discussion I find interesting. What does it take for someone to switch to another social network? Actually quite a bit. One, I want my friends to be there too. That alone is pretty difficult, and a common complaint with G+. But I think the real roadblock is probably photos. People love their photos. Can you imagine the work some people would have to do just to move that all to a new network? Some people I know have thousands of photos of themselves, and have posted thousands of photos. That is no small task. It helps keep people tied to Facebook, in my opinion. Certainly I think Facebook could be usurped, but I don't think it's trivial and it is probably going to require some competitor finding a good way to help someone move their social life (i.e. photos and friends) trivially.
  - gurkendoktor 15y ago
    > it is probably going to require some competitor finding a good way to help someone move their social life (i.e. photos and friends) trivially I wouldn't be surprised if the EU would introduce laws for that at one point. Also, it would be cool if a social news site could parse the ZIP dump of your data you can request from FB.
  - obituary_latte 15y ago
    What I meant with the Digg comparison is an "implosion" scenario whereby Facebook does something disastrous to itself which causes a mass exodus, as opposed to something better coming along to supplant it. I think it would be very difficult for it to happen any other way. Indeed, the points you make reinforce this idea.

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jaysonelliot 15y ago
I downvoted you for using the word "ghey" as some sort of perjorative, but the rest of what you're saying isn't doing much to dissuade me from my assessment. (Edit - the OP has edited to remove the word "ghey" since my comment, it was originally right before the phrase "blog posts" as an adjective.) IBM didn't lose out to an "operating system," if anything, it was Microsoft that made them capable of competing in the personal computer space. Google+ is not having trouble gaining traction because they don't have enough features. I get that you're trying to make a salient point about not underestimating new products, but it's not really cohesive. The fact that Microsoft and Google have succeeded with products in the past doesn't lead automatically to the conclusion that G+ is going to succeed. Google+ could be a success, or it could wither and die. For any positive example you cite, you could equally cite things like Microsoft BOB, the Zune, Apple Newton, OS/2, WebOS, Maemo, Sega Dreamcast, etc. There's far more to success than buckets of cash, innovation for the sake of innovation, or yard-long feature lists. I hope G+ continues to improve, but its success is not a foregone conclusion.
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- yuhong 15y ago
  "IBM didn't lose out to an "operating system," if anything, it was Microsoft that made them capable of competing in the personal computer space." Yea, I discussed OS/2 before. The JDA was not particularly good, but the alternative MS chose was a lot worse, and that was MS's fault. See my username for my other posts discussing this matter.

jedc 15y ago

Part of me wants this, too. But the other part of me hates it when a majority of my Facebook timeline is just updates from apps, games, and other crap that get automatically shared. This is a delicate balance.

raldi 15y ago
On G+, you only see your friends' game update crap when you're on the Games tab.
- jedc 15y ago
  True. But while I'd like to see some third-party auto-updates, I don't want to see all of them. This is the balance that needs to be struck.
- dredmorbius 15y ago
  But you can't delete the games tab.

ed209 15y ago

One of the most hotly discussed API feature requests [1] but I'm nervous about it. I don't want my stream filled with junk the way my Facebook stream is. [1] http://code.google.com/p/google-plus-platform/issues/detail?id=41&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Component%20Owner%20Summary http://code.google.com/p/google-plus-platform/issues/detail?...

cshenoy 15y ago
> I don't want my stream filled with junk the way my Facebook stream is. I always wondered why the Google+ team didn't implement that from the get go but after reading that, that's probably the biggest reason as to why they haven't.
- Lewisham 15y ago
  This is the reason: https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts/FXaGHpa1kWK https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts/FXaGHpa1... It's a not very thinly-veiled shot at frictionless sharing and the like. Having seen the hellhole my Facebook stream has become (while I've tried hard, it's almost impossible not to end up with unintended consequences for Apps and such), I'm on Vic's side.
mindcrime 15y ago
I don't want my stream filled with junk the way my Facebook stream is. Me either, but - IMO - the answer to this isn't to leave out the "write API," but rather the answer is to give users better filters and the ability to define their stream to meet their own desires. Of course doing so with a simple and intuitive UI is the tricky part, but hey... those G+ engineers make a lot of money, they should be able to come up with something, no?
- ed209 15y ago
  > they should be able to come up with something, no? no! :) Probably the hardest thing in social media is noise filtering via a UI (it's hard for Google, it's hard for Facebook, it's just a hard problem). For my own (app) selfish reasons, I'd like to see a write api for comments first as that doesn't cause issues on the same scale as writing posts to the stream. Could be a nice place to start.

obituary_latte 15y ago

Giving up? This is all just part of the master plan. If/When Facebook implodes, there is already a place set up for everyone to go. Google has the staying power to weather a long lull in usership; there are other properties to support them. Facebook has 1 angle and history shows that to be a dangerous position--one bad decision can bring the whole thing crashing down a-la Digg. I'm surprised no one seems to see this.

RobAtticus 15y ago
I'm not saying Facebook is here to stay and has nothing to worry about, but Digg is a pretty poor comparison. What does it take for someone to switch news aggregators? Pretty much nothing. I just need to find another site that has links/discussion I find interesting. What does it take for someone to switch to another social network? Actually quite a bit. One, I want my friends to be there too. That alone is pretty difficult, and a common complaint with G+. But I think the real roadblock is probably photos. People love their photos. Can you imagine the work some people would have to do just to move that all to a new network? Some people I know have thousands of photos of themselves, and have posted thousands of photos. That is no small task. It helps keep people tied to Facebook, in my opinion. Certainly I think Facebook could be usurped, but I don't think it's trivial and it is probably going to require some competitor finding a good way to help someone move their social life (i.e. photos and friends) trivially.
- gurkendoktor 15y ago
  > it is probably going to require some competitor finding a good way to help someone move their social life (i.e. photos and friends) trivially I wouldn't be surprised if the EU would introduce laws for that at one point. Also, it would be cool if a social news site could parse the ZIP dump of your data you can request from FB.
- obituary_latte 15y ago
  What I meant with the Digg comparison is an "implosion" scenario whereby Facebook does something disastrous to itself which causes a mass exodus, as opposed to something better coming along to supplant it. I think it would be very difficult for it to happen any other way. Indeed, the points you make reinforce this idea.