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Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).
by cozzyd 3y ago
Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).
- happymellon 3y agoWhy? No one uses RCS in the EU, who would Apple users talk to?
- AniseAbyss 3y ago[dead]
- korhojoa 3y agoArguably false. Are you trying to imply that Apple users are the only common users of messages other than text or that Apple users use third party messaging instead? Lots of providers implement RCS, lots of people use it. Perhaps none of the people in your particular region/circle of contacts do? My contacts almost all use signal. The exceptions where there are people that don't have any third party messaging apps, they use RCS. To those people, it's "just like a better MMS", they don't know any different, it just improves their messaging with no effort. At least for the region I know, there are _a lot_ more Android users than iOS users, and third party messaging is really common. In practice, SMS is the last resort if you have nothing else.
- tigroferoce 3y agoI’m curious about your region and your social circle (genuine question, not provocative). Absolutely zero of my contacts use signal. Some use element. Zero use iMessage. Almost 100% use WhatsApp. I’m in Europe, middle class, family with kids, both parents working here.
- happymellon 3y agoAnd RCS being worse, as people don't even know it exists so they don't even accidentally use it.
- fabifabulous 3y agoIn fact they are forcing the big messaging monopolies to open up. However, iMessage doesn‘t play a big role here. It‘s WhatsApp they are after and I‘m glad they are.
- aurareturn 3y agoWhy punish Apple for Google failing to create a good messaging service? Google failed to compete against iMessage in the US and failed to compete with Whatsapp worldwide. Now you want the government to step in to help Google make more money? Let the competition dictate it. No need for the government to get involved. Maybe Google can spend $50 billion to create and market an alternative to iMessage if they truly care instead of these half-ass attempts once every 2 years. Let's be real here. The only reason Google is pushing this is because they're losing Android users to iOS in the US due to the green/blue bubbles. It's a huge thorn for Android in the US. There is absolutely no reason any government, particularly, EU to push private messaging services to open up so Google can make more profit.
- user_named 3y agoYou are extremely confused since you belive EU wants Google to make more profit.
- aurareturn 3y agoNo, I don't believe that. That's why I said it's a ridiculous idea.
- user_named 3y agoYou still don't get it. EU wants interoperable standards. Clear?
- qeternity 3y agoThere are interoperable apps. People choose to use alternatives. Why do EU bureaucrats get to make these decisions?
- FalconSensei 3y agoThe thing is that in Europe people don't use iMessage or SMS. They use Whatsapp. So this problem is already solved there
- codedokode 3y agoYou can just install Telegram and send messages on any platform including desktop. Why use telco-controlled, unencrypted RCS?
- nicolaslem 3y agoAll these conversations are always a rehash of "use this proprietary thing instead of that other proprietary thing". I am baffled that the conversation never ventures into technologies that put the user in control.
- aurareturn 3y agoBecause Google wants Apple to adopt RCS in order to prevent Android users in the United States from switching to iOS due to green/blue bubble social pressure.
- cozzyd 3y agoI don't care what Google wants, I care about an open standard and ending vendor lockin. Did you think it was a problem when Microsoft refused to release MS Office for Apple as well, many years ago?
- aurareturn 3y agoNo, I don't think it's a problem. I use Google Docs exclusively. Sometimes I'll use Apple's built in document apps for local. Microsoft probably makes more money having Office on Macs than not having it. Office software competition would have built up from Macs not having MS Office. And MS Office would have stronger competition than today.
- threeseed 3y agoAnd I care about privacy and security. Which is why any standard where end to end encryption is not mandatory is unacceptable.
- cozzyd 3y ago
- anticensor 3y agoiMessage already interoperates, though. An application is free to offer a non-interoperating protocol in addition to the interoperable one.
- dzhiurgis 3y agoYes, but also why there aren’t any RCS iOS out so users can choose?