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I had no idea since it’s not an English word and thought it was some kernel feature I’d never heard of. It would be a great name for a piece of software.

huytersd 3y ago
Deny is very much an English word. A very basic one at that.
- Always_Anon 3y ago
  Denylist isn't very much an English word. A nonexistent one at that.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    Its a new English word that is widely used; it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”.
    - Always_Anon 3y ago
      >Its a new English word that is widely used No it's not. >it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”. It's not picked up by dictionaries because it's not a word. Its small usage by activist does not make it a word.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        > Its small usage by activist NIST in the US and the National Cyber Security Center in the UK, as well as much of the industry, use the term, but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use.
        Always_Anon 3y ago
        >NIST in the US In the wake of the "Summer of Love", some ideologues at NIST decided to jump on the band wagon and created an internal memo about "inclusive language". They ironically did not define the new terms, did not include them in their definition documentation, and was for internal use only as a guide, not requirements. >but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use. but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, not a word.
  - huytersd 3y ago
    Deny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Much better than blacklist. If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know.
    - Always_Anon 3y ago
      >Deny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Neat, but denylist isn't a word. Thank you for proving my point. >Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Except it's not, especially for those who are not as privileged and learn English as a second language. "Broad" and "way" are two words that when put together mean something very different. QED. >Much better than blacklist. Not at all, since it's not a word. >If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know. Thank God the word predates computers and we all know what it means.
      - huytersd 3y ago
        That’s hilarious, you said it yourself. Someone that’s learning English is going to magically understand what blacklist mean or can basically figure out what deny and list mean instead?
        Always_Anon 3y ago
        Yes they will, because translation dictionaries with "blacklist" predate the advent of digital computers. QED.
        huytersd 3y ago
        Deny and list predate digital computers. Why do you hate logical naming?
        Always_Anon 3y ago
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- junofan 3y ago
  I’m a native English speaker and “denylist” sounds made-up.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    All words are made up by humans; where else would they come from?
  - dllthomas 3y ago
    You're saying it hasn't made it onto your lexicographic allowlist yet?

huytersd 3y ago

Deny is very much an English word. A very basic one at that.

Always_Anon 3y ago
Denylist isn't very much an English word. A nonexistent one at that.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Its a new English word that is widely used; it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”.
  - Always_Anon 3y ago
    >Its a new English word that is widely used No it's not. >it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”. It's not picked up by dictionaries because it's not a word. Its small usage by activist does not make it a word.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > Its small usage by activist NIST in the US and the National Cyber Security Center in the UK, as well as much of the industry, use the term, but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use.
      - Always_Anon 3y ago
        >NIST in the US In the wake of the "Summer of Love", some ideologues at NIST decided to jump on the band wagon and created an internal memo about "inclusive language". They ironically did not define the new terms, did not include them in their definition documentation, and was for internal use only as a guide, not requirements. >but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use. but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, not a word.
- huytersd 3y ago
  Deny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Much better than blacklist. If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know.
  - Always_Anon 3y ago
    >Deny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Neat, but denylist isn't a word. Thank you for proving my point. >Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Except it's not, especially for those who are not as privileged and learn English as a second language. "Broad" and "way" are two words that when put together mean something very different. QED. >Much better than blacklist. Not at all, since it's not a word. >If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know. Thank God the word predates computers and we all know what it means.
    - huytersd 3y ago
      That’s hilarious, you said it yourself. Someone that’s learning English is going to magically understand what blacklist mean or can basically figure out what deny and list mean instead?
      - Always_Anon 3y ago
        Yes they will, because translation dictionaries with "blacklist" predate the advent of digital computers. QED.
        huytersd 3y ago
        Deny and list predate digital computers. Why do you hate logical naming?
        Always_Anon 3y ago
        [flagged]
junofan 3y ago
I’m a native English speaker and “denylist” sounds made-up.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  All words are made up by humans; where else would they come from?
- dllthomas 3y ago
  You're saying it hasn't made it onto your lexicographic allowlist yet?