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>Denylist is much more descriptive though. Not it's not. As someone who speaks English as a second language, the first time I read "whitelist/blacklist", I sim
by Always_Anon 3y ago
>Denylist is much more descriptive though.
Not it's not. As someone who speaks English as a second language, the first time I read "whitelist/blacklist", I simply looked them up in a translation dictionary and immediately understood what they mean. Those are actual words with definitions spanning centuries.
There was a reddit outage that occurred due to the madness around "inclusive language" and removing the word "master": https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditEng/comments/11xx5o0/you_broke_reddit_the_piday_outage/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditEng/comments/11xx5o0/you_brok...
- huytersd 3y agoRemoving master is not just Reddit. It has already happened in all big corps in America. You don’t have to even look up denylist in the dictionary once. Seems better to me.
- junofan 3y agoI had no idea since it’s not an English word and thought it was some kernel feature I’d never heard of. It would be a great name for a piece of software.
- huytersd 3y agoDeny is very much an English word. A very basic one at that.
- Always_Anon 3y agoDenylist isn't very much an English word. A nonexistent one at that.
- dragonwriter 3y agoIts a new English word that is widely used; it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”.
- Always_Anon 3y ago>Its a new English word that is widely used No it's not. >it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”. It's not picked up by dictionaries because it's not a word. Its small usage by activist does not make it a word.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> Its small usage by activist NIST in the US and the National Cyber Security Center in the UK, as well as much of the industry, use the term, but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use.
- Always_Anon 3y ago>NIST in the US In the wake of the "Summer of Love", some ideologues at NIST decided to jump on the band wagon and created an internal memo about "inclusive language". They ironically did not define the new terms, did not include them in their definition documentation, and was for internal use only as a guide, not requirements. >but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use. but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, not a word.
- huytersd 3y agoDeny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Much better than blacklist. If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know.
- Always_Anon 3y ago>Deny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Neat, but denylist isn't a word. Thank you for proving my point. >Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Except it's not, especially for those who are not as privileged and learn English as a second language. "Broad" and "way" are two words that when put together mean something very different. QED. >Much better than blacklist. Not at all, since it's not a word. >If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know. Thank God the word predates computers and we all know what it means.
- huytersd 3y agoThat’s hilarious, you said it yourself. Someone that’s learning English is going to magically understand what blacklist mean or can basically figure out what deny and list mean instead?
- Always_Anon 3y agoYes they will, because translation dictionaries with "blacklist" predate the advent of digital computers. QED.
- huytersd 3y agoDeny and list predate digital computers. Why do you hate logical naming?
- Always_Anon 3y ago[flagged]
- junofan 3y agoI’m a native English speaker and “denylist” sounds made-up.
- dragonwriter 3y agoAll words are made up by humans; where else would they come from?
- dllthomas 3y agoYou're saying it hasn't made it onto your lexicographic allowlist yet?
- Always_Anon 3y ago>Removing master is not just Reddit. It has already happened in all big corps in America. Lemmings and all. It was dumb then, it's dumb now. Lots of repos still use master. >You don’t have to even look up denylist in the dictionary once. Sure you do, and it's not there. It's not clear what a denylist is, nor what a blocklist is. Words have meaning.
- huytersd 3y agoWhy is it dumb?
- Always_Anon 3y agoSame reason why the attempt to change the name French fries to "freedom fries" was dumb.
- huytersd 3y agoWhat are freedom fries? I’ve never heard of it so I assume no one picked it up. Pretty much every software company has changed master though.
- Always_Anon 3y ago[flagged]
- huytersd 3y agoIs freedom fries a logical name? I prefer when naming is logical and self contained. Not some inside knowledge bullshit that needs to be taught to each new person that learns the language. Yeah they have bud. Find one large tech corp that still uses master.
- Always_Anon 3y ago>Find one large tech corp that still uses master. https://github.com/airbnb/javascript https://github.com/airbnb/javascript https://github.com/microsoft/vcpkg https://github.com/microsoft/vcpkg https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell https://github.com/golang/go https://github.com/golang/go https://github.com/Netflix/zuul https://github.com/Netflix/zuul