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Allowing an authoritarian regime access to manipulate opinion on a massive scale does not increase freedom of speech.

by lazyeye 3y ago

krapp 3y ago
Freedom of speech exists to defend the speech you don't agree with, not the speech you do.
- lazyeye 3y ago
  Its ridiculously niave to equate the manipulation of opinion by an authoritarian regime as "free speech". You are not a serious person.
  - krapp 3y ago
    Of course it's free speech. Manipulative speech is free speech. Dangerous speech is free speech. This has been supported by the US Supreme court, it isn't even controversial. You're the unserious one here, you're acting on emotion and not reason. I don't even know what "manipulation of opinion by an authoritarian regime" you're referring to, as TikTok is nothing but memes and nonsense, but it's axiomatic around here that free speech means we must allow speech from all sources, and that manipulation of opinion is fair game. That people may be sensitive and easily led astray by falsehood is not an excuse for censorship. They must simply find a way to verify the claims made for themselves. We must simply adapt to this new world order. And besides, the answer to "bad" speech is more speech, is it not? I'm simply saying we should apply the same full throated defense of free speech to the psyops of authoritarian regimes as we do neo-nazis and quacks and "journalists" who want to harass trangendered people to suicide. It's only fair, given that social media is already suffused with American government and corporate propaganda anyway. How can we host proper debates without hearing all sides? Sunlight is the best disinfectant. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - not actually Voltaire
    - lazyeye 3y ago
      Your free speech equivalence argument, in this context, is something I'd expect from either a Chinese propagandist or someone who is very young and has minimal life experience. Maybe you are both. Again, you are not a serious person.

Allowing an authoritarian regime access to manipulate opinion on a massive scale does not increase freedom of speech.

krapp 3y ago

Freedom of speech exists to defend the speech you don't agree with, not the speech you do.

lazyeye 3y ago
Its ridiculously niave to equate the manipulation of opinion by an authoritarian regime as "free speech". You are not a serious person.
- krapp 3y ago
  Of course it's free speech. Manipulative speech is free speech. Dangerous speech is free speech. This has been supported by the US Supreme court, it isn't even controversial. You're the unserious one here, you're acting on emotion and not reason. I don't even know what "manipulation of opinion by an authoritarian regime" you're referring to, as TikTok is nothing but memes and nonsense, but it's axiomatic around here that free speech means we must allow speech from all sources, and that manipulation of opinion is fair game. That people may be sensitive and easily led astray by falsehood is not an excuse for censorship. They must simply find a way to verify the claims made for themselves. We must simply adapt to this new world order. And besides, the answer to "bad" speech is more speech, is it not? I'm simply saying we should apply the same full throated defense of free speech to the psyops of authoritarian regimes as we do neo-nazis and quacks and "journalists" who want to harass trangendered people to suicide. It's only fair, given that social media is already suffused with American government and corporate propaganda anyway. How can we host proper debates without hearing all sides? Sunlight is the best disinfectant. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - not actually Voltaire
  - lazyeye 3y ago
    Your free speech equivalence argument, in this context, is something I'd expect from either a Chinese propagandist or someone who is very young and has minimal life experience. Maybe you are both. Again, you are not a serious person.