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You’re saying Tesla wins by making less money? How does that work? Don’t their actual customers win?

happytiger 3y ago
Tesla wins by capturing all the demand of early customers exclusively. Customers “winning” is short term thinking because the precedent set is that the product supply is controlled after they sell it, not before. Presale is not post sale control. The best we can hope for is that the company doesn’t abuse the situation, but the point is when you sell something and someone has paid you in full you shouldn’t be able to dictate whether someone can exercise ownership rights on what they paid for fair-and-square. There is a LOT of movement towards this kind of thinking because it creates protections for company profits and allows companies to manipulate the sale and repair ecosystems for their own benefit. That’s… not good. And then tendency is to look for rent in that controlling contract, by extracting recurring payments in subscription form as well. So now the car company controls the price of what it sells, who can buy and sell it, what you can do with the product you paid for and even what features you paid for can transfer to third parties when you sell it. That’s a broad overreach and approaches a situation where you are licensing the car rather than purchasing it and in my opinion should be deeply resisted.
- potatopatch 3y ago
  Tesla captures that anyway unless you are suggesting a huge amount of purchaser remorse instead of people trying to sell a waiting list position at a profit.. I don't like Tesla but it is ridiculous to call a 1 year anti-scalping rule a profit scheme, at the end of the year, they would even have a slump based on remorse buyers liquidating which would hurt them more as they might actually have capacity then.
  - happytiger 3y ago
    Manufacturers like Tesla create a shortage and sell to it. They want total control. It’s not ridiculous at all. It’s standard business practice these days to literally create artificial exclusivity and capture as many dollars as possible from early customers. We may just not see eye-to-eye but that’s ok. We can disagree and still be friends.

Tesla wins by capturing all the demand of early customers exclusively. Customers “winning” is short term thinking because the precedent set is that the product supply is controlled after they sell it, not before. Presale is not post sale control. The best we can hope for is that the company doesn’t abuse the situation, but the point is when you sell something and someone has paid you in full you shouldn’t be able to dictate whether someone can exercise ownership rights on what they paid for fair-and-square. There is a LOT of movement towards this kind of thinking because it creates protections for company profits and allows companies to manipulate the sale and repair ecosystems for their own benefit. That’s… not good. And then tendency is to look for rent in that controlling contract, by extracting recurring payments in subscription form as well. So now the car company controls the price of what it sells, who can buy and sell it, what you can do with the product you paid for and even what features you paid for can transfer to third parties when you sell it. That’s a broad overreach and approaches a situation where you are licensing the car rather than purchasing it and in my opinion should be deeply resisted.

potatopatch 3y ago
Tesla captures that anyway unless you are suggesting a huge amount of purchaser remorse instead of people trying to sell a waiting list position at a profit.. I don't like Tesla but it is ridiculous to call a 1 year anti-scalping rule a profit scheme, at the end of the year, they would even have a slump based on remorse buyers liquidating which would hurt them more as they might actually have capacity then.
- happytiger 3y ago
  Manufacturers like Tesla create a shortage and sell to it. They want total control. It’s not ridiculous at all. It’s standard business practice these days to literally create artificial exclusivity and capture as many dollars as possible from early customers. We may just not see eye-to-eye but that’s ok. We can disagree and still be friends.