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Big point of resistance here is going to be public safety. I would live in a city alone as a single man. I wouldn’t live in a city with a family. At this point

by jrsj 3y ago

Big point of resistance here is going to be public safety. I would live in a city alone as a single man. I wouldn’t live in a city with a family. At this point even suburbs are becoming a questionable option as many cities have little to no options that are both safe and affordable, so you have to go out to the exurbs instead.

tootie 3y ago
I mean, that's your bias. I'm raising my family in a big city with no car. They're teens now. Spent the whole time in public schools. It's never really been a problem.
- jrsj 3y ago
  This used to be feasible where I’m at, but housing prices are too high now. Spending $3k a month on a mortgage isn’t realistic for the vast majority of people.
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obelos 3y ago
What's your threat model? The number one killer of children under 16 is cars.
- jrsj 3y ago
  And where are they more likely to be hit by one? Probably in a denser populated area with heavier traffic. You can’t just wave a magic wand and make all the cars go away. Regardless, you have to make cities a desirable and affordable place to live for this to work at scale. You can’t just fix it at the transportation infrastructure level. If I’m looking for affordability, low violent crime, and good schools, I am not looking anywhere in the city where I live. It didn’t used to be this way, but post-covid housing costs are so high that I have to go 40+ minutes out of the city to get those things. If you don’t change that, many people with families are just going to deal with traffic being worse rather than moving into the city.
  - cool_dude85 3y ago
    >And where are they more likely to be hit by one? Probably in a denser populated area with heavier traffic. Most people killed by cars are in cars. How do you stay out of cars? Don't live somewhere you need one. Want to put yourself at risk? Live 40+ minutes out of the city and drive 20,000 miles a year.
    - charcircuit 3y ago
      The risk of being in an accident driving is not linear with miles driven.
  - xyst 3y ago
    > And where are they more likely to be hit by one? Probably in a denser populated area with heavier traffic. Data doesn’t support this. > For example, pedestrian and bicyclist deaths and deaths at intersections are more prevalent in urban areas, whereas a larger proportion of large truck occupant deaths and deaths on high-speed roads occur in rural areas. Although 20 percent of people in the U.S. live in rural areas and 32 percent of the vehicle miles traveled occur in rural areas, 40 percent of crash deaths occur there. > Regardless, you have to make cities a desirable and affordable place to live for this to work at scale. You can’t just fix it at the transportation infrastructure level I agree with this which is why my original post was talking about multiple points. Need changes at urban planning level, zoning, getting rid of hostile building codes (ie, parking minimums), making roads narrow, reducing dependency on cars/highways, re-investing in high quality public transportation. [1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...

by jrsj 3y ago

tootie 3y ago

I mean, that's your bias. I'm raising my family in a big city with no car. They're teens now. Spent the whole time in public schools. It's never really been a problem.

jrsj 3y ago
This used to be feasible where I’m at, but housing prices are too high now. Spending $3k a month on a mortgage isn’t realistic for the vast majority of people.

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obelos 3y ago

What's your threat model? The number one killer of children under 16 is cars.

jrsj 3y ago
And where are they more likely to be hit by one? Probably in a denser populated area with heavier traffic. You can’t just wave a magic wand and make all the cars go away. Regardless, you have to make cities a desirable and affordable place to live for this to work at scale. You can’t just fix it at the transportation infrastructure level. If I’m looking for affordability, low violent crime, and good schools, I am not looking anywhere in the city where I live. It didn’t used to be this way, but post-covid housing costs are so high that I have to go 40+ minutes out of the city to get those things. If you don’t change that, many people with families are just going to deal with traffic being worse rather than moving into the city.
- cool_dude85 3y ago
  >And where are they more likely to be hit by one? Probably in a denser populated area with heavier traffic. Most people killed by cars are in cars. How do you stay out of cars? Don't live somewhere you need one. Want to put yourself at risk? Live 40+ minutes out of the city and drive 20,000 miles a year.
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    The risk of being in an accident driving is not linear with miles driven.
- xyst 3y ago
  > And where are they more likely to be hit by one? Probably in a denser populated area with heavier traffic. Data doesn’t support this. > For example, pedestrian and bicyclist deaths and deaths at intersections are more prevalent in urban areas, whereas a larger proportion of large truck occupant deaths and deaths on high-speed roads occur in rural areas. Although 20 percent of people in the U.S. live in rural areas and 32 percent of the vehicle miles traveled occur in rural areas, 40 percent of crash deaths occur there. > Regardless, you have to make cities a desirable and affordable place to live for this to work at scale. You can’t just fix it at the transportation infrastructure level I agree with this which is why my original post was talking about multiple points. Need changes at urban planning level, zoning, getting rid of hostile building codes (ie, parking minimums), making roads narrow, reducing dependency on cars/highways, re-investing in high quality public transportation. [1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban-rural-comparison https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/urban...