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Anyone got a link to an official report detailing what happened? The article is kinda light on details, but I assume this is a major mishap that can only happen

Anyone got a link to an official report detailing what happened? The article is kinda light on details, but I assume this is a major mishap that can only happen if multiple things go wrong simultaneously? Everything m they do up there is a precisely choreographed dance so it would be interesting to read a technical report on that.

EA 3y ago
https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2023/11/01/astronauts-enter-station-complete-spacewalk/ https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2023/11/01/astronauts-en...
- thedaly 3y ago
  There aren't very many details in that post either. > During the activity, one tool bag was inadvertently lost. Flight controllers spotted the tool bag using external station cameras. The tools were not needed for the remainder of the spacewalk. Mission Control analyzed the bag’s trajectory and determined that risk of recontacting the station is low and that the onboard crew and space station are safe with no action required.
Mizza 3y ago
There's a copypasta floating around - badum tish - giving an account of a particular US astronaut - https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-threatens-nasa-astronaut-sabotage https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-threatens-nasa-astronau... - who caused this and a lot of other major problems. Accusations of misinformation, yada yada yada, but it sounds like it might have been a case of the roommate from hell, only in space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vXdRUIZ_EM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vXdRUIZ_EM whoops
- space_fountain 3y ago
  The video was of a different incident right and the person mentioned in the first link hasn't been on the station in years?
- RetpolineDrama 3y ago
  For a highly trained astronaut that "oops" in the video seemed extremely careless.
  - hnbad 3y ago
    My most charitable interpretation is that the astronaut thought the bag was attached to a tether given that it had a clip - which sadly wasn't attached to anything.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Highly trained astronaut doesn't mean much. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak Nobody's perfect and nobody is infallible and that includes highly trained astronauts. Short of this being done on purpose (hard to believe to begin with) I'd just chalk it up to an accident.
    - KennyBlanken 3y ago
      You're comparing an emotional breakdown to not securing a toolbox?
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        No, I'm trying to illustrate - apparently unsuccessfully - that astronauts are people and as fallible as everybody else.
      - autoexec 3y ago
        "An emotional breakdown" is an odd way to describe burglary, assault, attempted kidnapping, and battery that had been planned out and prepared for following two months of Lisa stalking someone who was sleeping with a guy she'd previously had an affair with. I'm not suggesting that it's similar in any way to losing a toolbox. Lisa's entire situation was clearly something very different, you're right about that, but an emotional breakdown (while not a precise medical term) is typically used to describe an episode or outburst caused by too much stress/pressure. It's strange to see it used for a series of premeditated crimes that took months, involved lots of planning, careful packing, and a journey of 900 miles by car to reach the victim.
morelisp 3y ago
It's hard to have more failsafes on a single toolbag than "don't let go". The mission was successful (or it seems, partially successful, not due to loss of toolbag); losing the toolbag is the "one thing" that can go wrong without risking the real goal.
- bandyaboot 3y ago
  I’m not familiar with how the *nauts tether themselves to the station, but I figured it would be something similar to safety tethers when working up high in precarious situations —2 tethers with only 1 allowed to be disconnected at any particular moment. I wouldn’t have been surprised if the same thing were done for anything that they don’t want to float away. But, perhaps that adds more complexity than it’s worth.
  - morelisp 3y ago
    Tools don't need to be safe, though; you need to be safe from them. IANAA, but two tethers on your toolbag sounds like a great way to accidentally fuck up the two tethers on yourself.
    - kridsdale3 3y ago
      Good news: The tools are secure. Bad news: You are condemned to die alone in space.
- godshatter 3y ago
  In this case it worked out fine, but if the tool needed to complete the task was in the tool bag, things would have worked out differently. Bonus points if one of the tools needed to undo what they had started was also in the tool bag that got away.
  - morelisp 3y ago
    Why do you assume there's only one toolbag with the necessary tools? There's the kinds of things you have redundancy of (tools, food, computers), to deal with the things you need redundancy for (life, structural integrity, atmosphere).
sieste 3y ago
Yes it's a bit light on details. But they do point out the most important facts, namely what gender the astronauts are and that it has not been officially confirmed whether the tool box contained a 10mm wrench. Personally, that's everything I needed to know about the situation.
- wredue 3y ago
  Imagine being upset by the mere mention of a persons gender. Christ you people are insufferable. Surely there are actually important things to be angry about.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  If you've ever worked on a modern car, you'd know the importance of the 10mm wrench. Maybe they had some Toyota guys consult on the ISS.
  - sundvor 3y ago
    Context, possibly: https://youtu.be/2jlxO6s5N6Q?si=7iled4EV7nWWyb-A https://youtu.be/2jlxO6s5N6Q?si=7iled4EV7nWWyb-A
    - hotpotamus 3y ago
      Hadn't seen that one, but it is a bit of a meme. I'm not joking about working on cars though - my 2001 Toyota Corolla was full of 10mm bolts, and I have on occasion needed to pick one up from the hardware store only to find an empty spot between the 9mm and 11mm sockets.
      - jtriangle 3y ago
        Honda dirtbikes were almost exclusively 10mm, which was handy, because you can carry a very limited set of tools/parts and fix basically everything aside from running out of gas.
  - I_Am_Nous 3y ago
dmbche 3y ago
Another bag was lost when an astronaut was cleaning up a mess from a grease gun - stuff happens!

EA 3y ago

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2023/11/01/astronauts-enter-station-complete-spacewalk/ https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2023/11/01/astronauts-en...

thedaly 3y ago
There aren't very many details in that post either. > During the activity, one tool bag was inadvertently lost. Flight controllers spotted the tool bag using external station cameras. The tools were not needed for the remainder of the spacewalk. Mission Control analyzed the bag’s trajectory and determined that risk of recontacting the station is low and that the onboard crew and space station are safe with no action required.

Mizza 3y ago

There's a copypasta floating around - badum tish - giving an account of a particular US astronaut - https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-threatens-nasa-astronaut-sabotage https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-threatens-nasa-astronau... - who caused this and a lot of other major problems. Accusations of misinformation, yada yada yada, but it sounds like it might have been a case of the roommate from hell, only in space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vXdRUIZ_EM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vXdRUIZ_EM whoops

space_fountain 3y ago
The video was of a different incident right and the person mentioned in the first link hasn't been on the station in years?
RetpolineDrama 3y ago
For a highly trained astronaut that "oops" in the video seemed extremely careless.
- hnbad 3y ago
  My most charitable interpretation is that the astronaut thought the bag was attached to a tether given that it had a clip - which sadly wasn't attached to anything.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Highly trained astronaut doesn't mean much. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak Nobody's perfect and nobody is infallible and that includes highly trained astronauts. Short of this being done on purpose (hard to believe to begin with) I'd just chalk it up to an accident.
  - KennyBlanken 3y ago
    You're comparing an emotional breakdown to not securing a toolbox?
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      No, I'm trying to illustrate - apparently unsuccessfully - that astronauts are people and as fallible as everybody else.
    - autoexec 3y ago
      "An emotional breakdown" is an odd way to describe burglary, assault, attempted kidnapping, and battery that had been planned out and prepared for following two months of Lisa stalking someone who was sleeping with a guy she'd previously had an affair with. I'm not suggesting that it's similar in any way to losing a toolbox. Lisa's entire situation was clearly something very different, you're right about that, but an emotional breakdown (while not a precise medical term) is typically used to describe an episode or outburst caused by too much stress/pressure. It's strange to see it used for a series of premeditated crimes that took months, involved lots of planning, careful packing, and a journey of 900 miles by car to reach the victim.

morelisp 3y ago

It's hard to have more failsafes on a single toolbag than "don't let go". The mission was successful (or it seems, partially successful, not due to loss of toolbag); losing the toolbag is the "one thing" that can go wrong without risking the real goal.

bandyaboot 3y ago
I’m not familiar with how the *nauts tether themselves to the station, but I figured it would be something similar to safety tethers when working up high in precarious situations —2 tethers with only 1 allowed to be disconnected at any particular moment. I wouldn’t have been surprised if the same thing were done for anything that they don’t want to float away. But, perhaps that adds more complexity than it’s worth.
- morelisp 3y ago
  Tools don't need to be safe, though; you need to be safe from them. IANAA, but two tethers on your toolbag sounds like a great way to accidentally fuck up the two tethers on yourself.
  - kridsdale3 3y ago
    Good news: The tools are secure. Bad news: You are condemned to die alone in space.
godshatter 3y ago
In this case it worked out fine, but if the tool needed to complete the task was in the tool bag, things would have worked out differently. Bonus points if one of the tools needed to undo what they had started was also in the tool bag that got away.
- morelisp 3y ago
  Why do you assume there's only one toolbag with the necessary tools? There's the kinds of things you have redundancy of (tools, food, computers), to deal with the things you need redundancy for (life, structural integrity, atmosphere).

sieste 3y ago

Yes it's a bit light on details. But they do point out the most important facts, namely what gender the astronauts are and that it has not been officially confirmed whether the tool box contained a 10mm wrench. Personally, that's everything I needed to know about the situation.

wredue 3y ago
Imagine being upset by the mere mention of a persons gender. Christ you people are insufferable. Surely there are actually important things to be angry about.
hotpotamus 3y ago
If you've ever worked on a modern car, you'd know the importance of the 10mm wrench. Maybe they had some Toyota guys consult on the ISS.
- sundvor 3y ago
  Context, possibly: https://youtu.be/2jlxO6s5N6Q?si=7iled4EV7nWWyb-A https://youtu.be/2jlxO6s5N6Q?si=7iled4EV7nWWyb-A
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    Hadn't seen that one, but it is a bit of a meme. I'm not joking about working on cars though - my 2001 Toyota Corolla was full of 10mm bolts, and I have on occasion needed to pick one up from the hardware store only to find an empty spot between the 9mm and 11mm sockets.
    - jtriangle 3y ago
      Honda dirtbikes were almost exclusively 10mm, which was handy, because you can carry a very limited set of tools/parts and fix basically everything aside from running out of gas.
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago

dmbche 3y ago

Another bag was lost when an astronaut was cleaning up a mess from a grease gun - stuff happens!