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Music painted on wall of a Venetian orphanage will be heard 250 years later
- happytiger 3y agoReminds me of the work of Philharmonia Baroque. Their concerts are period music on period instruments and at times they play recovered pieces like this. https://philharmonia.org/ https://philharmonia.org/ It’s amazing to imagine how much of human history was never preserved.
- fsckboy 3y ago> It’s amazing to imagine how much of human history was never preserved period instruments in this case made me fear that the orphans were future castrati, but thankfully that piece of history was not preserved. Turns out this was an orphanage for girls, putte, who were in fact trained to sing, and they are depicted in the painting. (the term putto, boy", was used to refer to male cherubs)
- tomcam 3y ago> (the term putto, boy", was used to refer to male cherubs) I grew up in a Latino neighborhood, and there’s a word pronounced like that that definitely didn’t mean cherub
- mc32 3y agoIn Italian a double T is pronounced as two Ts so it would sound different. Of course it may sound homophonous to many.
- tomcam 3y agoI do in fact know that. I still wouldn’t risk it in my old hood.
- annoyingnoob 3y agoThe extra t is the kicker there. I might just have to start using cherub.
- gboss 3y agoI’m not an expert but I could definitely see an entomological connection between putto in Italian meaning castrated orphan if what the above poster says is true and puto in Spanish which is often a slur against gay men.
- coldtea 3y agoWell, puto in Spanish is the male form of puta, meaning hooker. There might still be an etymological connection with putto in Italian, but more likely via "putta" also meaning prostitute in Latin (putana in Italian).
- ackbar03 3y agoI think I read about these orphanages, which mainly took in children from prostitutes after they got pregnant, in that book "Range: generealists are better" or whatever it was called. I'm not sure if its the same ones mentioned in the book. They trained the orphans in a wide variety of musical instruments to perform for patrons or at events, it was their main source of income for the orphanage, and the orphans were in fact very skilled. A lot of the baroque period musicians wrote music to be performed by them.
- ulizzle 3y agoMuch of human history hasn’t been preserved or has been suppressed What’s amazing about the Romans is that theirs was and how many primary sources still exists. That’s why I keep my mind open on Atlantis and psychic phenomena and other conspiracy theories
- jprd 3y agoWell said! Troy alone is a great example.
- timeon 3y agoWhich example do you mean in particular? If it is Iliad - that one was written ~400 years later. And the war was probably during the late Bronze Age collapse. So I wonder how many contemporary accounts were preserved at that time.
- WalterBright 3y ago> What’s amazing about the Romans is that theirs was and how many primary sources still exists. Because they had writing and used it.
- happytiger 3y agoIf the rulers of the the eastern emperors are regarded as Romans, then the Roman Empire did not fall until the 15 century. Many historians would prefer 1453 as the date of the fall of the Roman Empire. That’s a fair bit later than people realize.
- bobthepanda 3y agoAlso, no one bothered to systematically eliminate the Roman books. This is different from, say, the Spanish systematically looking for and destroying Aztec and Mayan codices; and the Aztecs before them had systematically looked for and destroyed Mayan works.
- WalterBright 3y agoNo psychic phenomena has ever survived the scientific method.
- huytersd 3y agoIt’s so cool that an artist took the extra time to precisely paint the score on a wall.
- fsckboy 3y agoI agreed... but turns out the musical score was already available in a library in Montecassino https://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AFR0084-01A07_04d&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU https://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id...
- mazelife 3y ago> Because the music of the past was written in a notation that’s different from that used today, it’s necessary to translate and input every mark of the original score – notes, dynamics and other expressive marks – into a music notation software to produce a modern score that can be easily read by today’s musicians. I guess the key word is easily read. That score looks perfectly readable to me, although modern musicians might find the spacing somewhat cramped
- ipsum2 3y agoThis is quite modern music notation. I expected something like neume notation, which I first saw painted on a mural inside a McDonalds, oddly enough.
- seanhunter 3y agoYeah. There is a whole academic and performance culture around historical music, and it's taught at music conservatoires and colleges. My wife for example plays and teaches music from the medieval, renaissance and baroque period extensively so I'm actually typing this in a room with shelves and shelves of facsimilies of scores from those periods all in original notation. With a bit of practise and training, people read this stuff just fine. From the Renaissance on there are lots of surviving treatises so we have a very good idea how they were performed etc and can in many cases be pretty confident that we're performing things pretty close to how they were done in the time.
- JoeDaDude 3y agoBut (pun intended) surely I'm not the only person reminded of this piece: https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/bosch-butt-music-garden-earthly-delights/ https://www.dailyartmagazine.com/bosch-butt-music-garden-ear...
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- Sniffnoy 3y agoGoing by the article, the piece wasn't actually recovered from the wall. Rather the wall just inspired Tacconi to look for it elsewhere, and she found it in a library. It hasn't been heard for 250 years simply because it's fairly obscure, not because the only copy was on a wall and no paper copies existed; in fact a paper copy did exist.
- sonicanatidae 3y agoWait.. a headline written entirely for sensationalism, that in fact misleads the reader solely in an effort to gain click revenue, in today's media world? Perish the thought.
- dukeofdoom 3y agoI asked midjourney for a painting of someone (Chopin, Bach, the devil) holding a music score sheet. And it returned what I asked for. Just don't know if it's actual music, since I'm not a musician. Can someone try it and let me know. Just curious ... if midjourney can compose music.
- all2 3y agoThat depends on the model's training set. If the training set involves images of a lot of valid music, then probably it could generate "valid" sounding music. Otherwise, it may be generating garbage. Can you post the image somewhere? I'd love to take a look.
- gus_massa 3y agoIt would be interesting that you take a look, but expect garbage. A few days ago someone posted AI generated poster of movies for children, and in one of them he studio was "Dixxar" (with a nice cursive D). I don't expect long text or music to make sense in an AI generated image for now.
- dukeofdoom 3y agoI don't know how to do this without doxxing myself, other wise I would.
- FeepingCreature 3y agoYou can finetune image diffusion to just generate waveforms of audio and that works well, so it's definitely possible. Probably not without specific training though.
- dieselgate 3y agoVery cool, kind of reminds me of Ocarina of Time or something
- prmoustache 3y agoThat, my friend, is the power of open source.