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I don't think the Jeep or BMW infotainment systems are nearly as fleshed out or complex as Rivian's, especially not Tesla's. Maybe I'm wrong!

wil421 3y ago
That’s a huge plus for me. CarPlay or nothing. BMW is becoming closer to a Tesla like screen. GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs. I don’t want my ICE/EV to become a SaaS app where I’m paying $500 a year to use my own car.
- vel0city 3y ago
  > GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs IIRC its not just their EVs its all cars.
  - fma 3y ago
    Shouldn't make such a bold IIRC statement correcting someone without first doing a quick Google to verify. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43488135/gm-apple-carplay-discontinued-future-evs/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43488135/gm-apple-carplay... Specifically it's for the new Ultium EVs. Bolts, Lyriqs, Hummers will still have it.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      If I had known it for a fact I wouldn't have prefaced it with "IIRC". Guess I didn't recall correctly. Thanks for pointing that out.
duped 3y ago
Updating software is orthogonal to the complexity of the software application being updated, unless you have horribly designed your architecture. I know, because I've made that mistake.
phpisthebest 3y ago
Well then we need to ask why is their infotainment systems so complex? and does it need to be? I want my infotainment systems go connect to Android Auto. That is is. Make it do that, and only that. This drive to make EV's as complex as possible is one of the reason i am not planning on buying one EV's are suppose to be SIMPLER than ICE. Make me a Simple Car with simple controls, and just replace the ICE with a battery and Electric Motor, give me an app for my Phone that can do the Charging Trip Calculators and interface with other systems. I do not want a compplex SaaS app on wheels
- cobalt 3y ago
  android auto is just a different brand of infotainment system
  - worik 3y ago
    And if it fails it is inconvenient
- bdamm 3y ago
  Well, good news, Bollinger has made your product!
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    No they haven't. Bollinger only makes commercial trucks.
jacquesm 3y ago
BMW in particular is an interesting case, a (late) friend of mine drove just about every model the day after it came out (BMW fan) and they spent more time in the shop for software issues than they did driving. To the point that he'd get attached to some of the loaners, it really was that bad.

wil421 3y ago

That’s a huge plus for me. CarPlay or nothing. BMW is becoming closer to a Tesla like screen. GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs. I don’t want my ICE/EV to become a SaaS app where I’m paying $500 a year to use my own car.

vel0city 3y ago
> GM is supposed to drop CarPlay in favor of whatever they are doing on their EVs IIRC its not just their EVs its all cars.
- fma 3y ago
  Shouldn't make such a bold IIRC statement correcting someone without first doing a quick Google to verify. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43488135/gm-apple-carplay-discontinued-future-evs/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43488135/gm-apple-carplay... Specifically it's for the new Ultium EVs. Bolts, Lyriqs, Hummers will still have it.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    If I had known it for a fact I wouldn't have prefaced it with "IIRC". Guess I didn't recall correctly. Thanks for pointing that out.

duped 3y ago

Updating software is orthogonal to the complexity of the software application being updated, unless you have horribly designed your architecture. I know, because I've made that mistake.

phpisthebest 3y ago

Well then we need to ask why is their infotainment systems so complex? and does it need to be? I want my infotainment systems go connect to Android Auto. That is is. Make it do that, and only that. This drive to make EV's as complex as possible is one of the reason i am not planning on buying one EV's are suppose to be SIMPLER than ICE. Make me a Simple Car with simple controls, and just replace the ICE with a battery and Electric Motor, give me an app for my Phone that can do the Charging Trip Calculators and interface with other systems. I do not want a compplex SaaS app on wheels

cobalt 3y ago
android auto is just a different brand of infotainment system
- worik 3y ago
  And if it fails it is inconvenient
bdamm 3y ago
Well, good news, Bollinger has made your product!
- LoganDark 3y ago
  No they haven't. Bollinger only makes commercial trucks.

jacquesm 3y ago

BMW in particular is an interesting case, a (late) friend of mine drove just about every model the day after it came out (BMW fan) and they spent more time in the shop for software issues than they did driving. To the point that he'd get attached to some of the loaners, it really was that bad.