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> High Pirate Party Numbers = 4 more years for Angela Merkel How does that follow?

brazzy 15y ago
Because the Pirate party is taking away voters from both the traditional conservative camp (FDP, CDU/CSU) and the traditional social democrat/Green camp, yet is too new to be seriously considered as a coalition partner for a government. That means a grand coalition (CDU/CSU and SPD) led by Merkel becomes more likely - the same one as in the previous administration, before the FDP gained enough votes to have a traditional conservative coalition, but the FDP is currently vanishing into obscurity.
- cabalamat 15y ago
  That makes sense. It would also possibly the best outcome for the Pirates: being in opposition would give them time to be more professional and get their act together, and would mean that in the next elections, both CDU and SPD would be unpopular incumbents (meaning they both lose more votes to the Pirates).
  - philippK 15y ago
    Absolutely. Entering a government after they first get into the parliament would do them no good. They first need to establish themselves, before they can govern.
- LinaLauneBaer 15y ago
  Shouldn't everyone just vote for the party who he likes most? Voting for a party has also long-term effects that you have to consider. Also in Germany every party gets money for each vote and so on... the coalition aspect is just one of many...
- nickik 15y ago
  Does anybody know enougth about the Swiss and German system that can explain to me why we never here the term "coalition" in swiss politics? If you are in the parlament you are in it. I mean there is stuff to vote on and everybody votes for what he likes what effects does not been in "the coalition" have? I hope I made myself clear.
  - brazzy 15y ago
    It seems to be in large part traditional that German parties have formed formal coalitions to support governments - in the Swiss parliament you have "Fraktionen", which can have members from several parties, but are not as formally organized (German coalition governments are usually based on a written contract). Another big factor seems to be that the German Bundeskanzler has the sole power to decide policy and choose his ministers, so having parties form a solid majority to elect and support him is very important. In Switzerland, the government consists of the seven Bundesräte, who are peers and elected independently by the parliament. They rotate at being the Bundespräsident (formal head of government), who does not have special powers.
    - nickik 15y ago
      They dont rotate its always the oldes in years of beeing a Bundesrat.
      - brazzy 15y ago
        According to the German Wikipedia, this is completely wrong - they rotate every year, and the office is given to the one who hasn't been President for the longest time (or ever). This is, however, purely a custom; formally, the Bundespräsident is elected.
        nickik 15y ago
        Possible. Not importent anyway.
  - vidarh 15y ago
    You probably don't hear it because Switzerland has a pretty much perpetual coalition: Since 1959 the four main parties has effectively voluntarily split the federal council between them based on parliamentary representation to rather than risk being left outside government for any length of time. The distribution of seats follows a formula agreed by those parties, so it's not "news" that the council keeps pretty much the same party composition election after election. Most other countries don't have any long standing arrangements like that, so the question of who will form the government is always a major subject in advance of elections.
- hej 15y ago
  The old parties need to wisen up and become much more flexible in the way they form coalitions. It would be nice if they got that message from the rise of the Pirate Party.
bnr 15y ago
SPD/Green is the only combination with a chance of getting >50% to end the CDU/SPD coalition. The pirates are draining votes from both of them, and I doubt SPD or CDU would be willing to form a coalition with a party as young and controversial as the PP.

Because the Pirate party is taking away voters from both the traditional conservative camp (FDP, CDU/CSU) and the traditional social democrat/Green camp, yet is too new to be seriously considered as a coalition partner for a government. That means a grand coalition (CDU/CSU and SPD) led by Merkel becomes more likely - the same one as in the previous administration, before the FDP gained enough votes to have a traditional conservative coalition, but the FDP is currently vanishing into obscurity.

cabalamat 15y ago
That makes sense. It would also possibly the best outcome for the Pirates: being in opposition would give them time to be more professional and get their act together, and would mean that in the next elections, both CDU and SPD would be unpopular incumbents (meaning they both lose more votes to the Pirates).
- philippK 15y ago
  Absolutely. Entering a government after they first get into the parliament would do them no good. They first need to establish themselves, before they can govern.
LinaLauneBaer 15y ago
Shouldn't everyone just vote for the party who he likes most? Voting for a party has also long-term effects that you have to consider. Also in Germany every party gets money for each vote and so on... the coalition aspect is just one of many...
nickik 15y ago
Does anybody know enougth about the Swiss and German system that can explain to me why we never here the term "coalition" in swiss politics? If you are in the parlament you are in it. I mean there is stuff to vote on and everybody votes for what he likes what effects does not been in "the coalition" have? I hope I made myself clear.
- brazzy 15y ago
  It seems to be in large part traditional that German parties have formed formal coalitions to support governments - in the Swiss parliament you have "Fraktionen", which can have members from several parties, but are not as formally organized (German coalition governments are usually based on a written contract). Another big factor seems to be that the German Bundeskanzler has the sole power to decide policy and choose his ministers, so having parties form a solid majority to elect and support him is very important. In Switzerland, the government consists of the seven Bundesräte, who are peers and elected independently by the parliament. They rotate at being the Bundespräsident (formal head of government), who does not have special powers.
  - nickik 15y ago
    They dont rotate its always the oldes in years of beeing a Bundesrat.
    - brazzy 15y ago
      According to the German Wikipedia, this is completely wrong - they rotate every year, and the office is given to the one who hasn't been President for the longest time (or ever). This is, however, purely a custom; formally, the Bundespräsident is elected.
      - nickik 15y ago
        Possible. Not importent anyway.
- vidarh 15y ago
  You probably don't hear it because Switzerland has a pretty much perpetual coalition: Since 1959 the four main parties has effectively voluntarily split the federal council between them based on parliamentary representation to rather than risk being left outside government for any length of time. The distribution of seats follows a formula agreed by those parties, so it's not "news" that the council keeps pretty much the same party composition election after election. Most other countries don't have any long standing arrangements like that, so the question of who will form the government is always a major subject in advance of elections.
hej 15y ago
The old parties need to wisen up and become much more flexible in the way they form coalitions. It would be nice if they got that message from the rise of the Pirate Party.

bnr 15y ago

SPD/Green is the only combination with a chance of getting >50% to end the CDU/SPD coalition. The pirates are draining votes from both of them, and I doubt SPD or CDU would be willing to form a coalition with a party as young and controversial as the PP.