4 ms·

What does all that have to do with you basically calling me a sockpuppet? Kind of whataboutism, isn't it?

by kkzz99 3y ago

crazydoggers 3y ago
It’s literally the topic of the article. The article is exactly about accounts like yours. That’s not whataboutism. That’s the topic at hand. Obviously you can’t explain how you are responding to these articles at all hours of the day, within minutes. > “I generally don't comment, but I feel strongly about US-China relations, which makes me comment.” Why on earth would you create an account 4 months ago, then only comment pro China and anti US sentiments? Hacker news is not a place for political arguments in most cases. In addition, you cannot explain why you literally spread false news and misinformation. In an earlier comment you stated specifically that Peng Shuai never disappeared. This flies in the face of multiple international, indisputable facts. References which can be found on the Wikipedia page about her disappearance. The typical response then is to attack Wikipedia, or hand wave away the proof with something like “western media is bias”.
- kkzz99 3y ago
  I mean, I trust more what she herself had to say on the matter. https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-1224709 https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-12247... But I guess that's a controlled interview and she was forced to say that by her handlers. At this point, these accusations are just sad. But I guess I can't convince you that I'm just a random German software engineer living and working in Germany that cares about Sino/US relations and propaganda.
  - crazydoggers 3y ago
    So you’re a German software engineer who is fluent in Chinese, and reads pro Chinese “newspapers” from Singapore? You also happen to be awake at all hours of the day, and speak completely fluent English. You’re also a German who for some reason is extremely pro RPC? Color me skeptical. It’s also hilarious that you just did exactly what the top comment pointed out you would do: > Claim to be part of a group held dear by the audience. > Antistatement: Im totally against <topic>, but <propaganda narrative talking points >. Btw, the interview questions seem very clearly aimed at creating a narrative, so yes. There were no personal questions, only questions aimed at supporting a narrative. China has a documented history of such tactics. For example, state TV aired the “confessions” of Chinese human rights lawyers Wang Yu and Jiang Tianyong when they were in detention. Lawyers literally convicted of “subverting state power”, “inciting subversion of state power” or “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”. Women coming forward in the US is hard enough, and women being silenced here is still a problem. Never mind a country where no state official is investigated for such things, where there is no free press to independently investigate these things, with a history of arresting and disappearing activists. But let’s hand wave all of that clear and consistent history away, or pretend it doesn’t matter. Show me an open and transparent investigation of Zhang Gaoli. I’ll wait.
    - crazydoggers 3y ago
      More context on Peng Shuai for those interested: Searches about this behind China’s firewall show no results due to censorship (not something you would expect if there wasn’t coercion going on) https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-tennis-player-peng-denies-making-accusation-sexual-assault-2022-02-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-tennis-player-pe... Outlining her conveniently timed retirement, and absence and disappearance from social media. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/olympics-pengshuai-02072022091413.html/ampRFA https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/olympics-pengshuai-02... Easily found context, ignored by kkzz99, who instead dug up PCR state media interview, shows clearly the kkzz99 account is state sponsored.

What does all that have to do with you basically calling me a sockpuppet? Kind of whataboutism, isn't it?

by kkzz99 3y ago

What does all that have to do with you basically calling me a sockpuppet? Kind of whataboutism, isn't it?

It’s literally the topic of the article. The article is exactly about accounts like yours. That’s not whataboutism. That’s the topic at hand. Obviously you can’t explain how you are responding to these articles at all hours of the day, within minutes. > “I generally don't comment, but I feel strongly about US-China relations, which makes me comment.” Why on earth would you create an account 4 months ago, then only comment pro China and anti US sentiments? Hacker news is not a place for political arguments in most cases. In addition, you cannot explain why you literally spread false news and misinformation. In an earlier comment you stated specifically that Peng Shuai never disappeared. This flies in the face of multiple international, indisputable facts. References which can be found on the Wikipedia page about her disappearance. The typical response then is to attack Wikipedia, or hand wave away the proof with something like “western media is bias”.

kkzz99 3y ago
I mean, I trust more what she herself had to say on the matter. https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-1224709 https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-12247... But I guess that's a controlled interview and she was forced to say that by her handlers. At this point, these accusations are just sad. But I guess I can't convince you that I'm just a random German software engineer living and working in Germany that cares about Sino/US relations and propaganda.
- crazydoggers 3y ago
  So you’re a German software engineer who is fluent in Chinese, and reads pro Chinese “newspapers” from Singapore? You also happen to be awake at all hours of the day, and speak completely fluent English. You’re also a German who for some reason is extremely pro RPC? Color me skeptical. It’s also hilarious that you just did exactly what the top comment pointed out you would do: > Claim to be part of a group held dear by the audience. > Antistatement: Im totally against <topic>, but <propaganda narrative talking points >. Btw, the interview questions seem very clearly aimed at creating a narrative, so yes. There were no personal questions, only questions aimed at supporting a narrative. China has a documented history of such tactics. For example, state TV aired the “confessions” of Chinese human rights lawyers Wang Yu and Jiang Tianyong when they were in detention. Lawyers literally convicted of “subverting state power”, “inciting subversion of state power” or “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”. Women coming forward in the US is hard enough, and women being silenced here is still a problem. Never mind a country where no state official is investigated for such things, where there is no free press to independently investigate these things, with a history of arresting and disappearing activists. But let’s hand wave all of that clear and consistent history away, or pretend it doesn’t matter. Show me an open and transparent investigation of Zhang Gaoli. I’ll wait.
  - crazydoggers 3y ago
    More context on Peng Shuai for those interested: Searches about this behind China’s firewall show no results due to censorship (not something you would expect if there wasn’t coercion going on) https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-tennis-player-peng-denies-making-accusation-sexual-assault-2022-02-07/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-tennis-player-pe... Outlining her conveniently timed retirement, and absence and disappearance from social media. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/olympics-pengshuai-02072022091413.html/ampRFA https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/olympics-pengshuai-02... Easily found context, ignored by kkzz99, who instead dug up PCR state media interview, shows clearly the kkzz99 account is state sponsored.