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By the same logic, why shouldn't lawyers and other high-skill hourly workers add a 3x multiplier to their reported hours? After all, as long as they do the work

by buu700 3y ago

By the same logic, why shouldn't lawyers and other high-skill hourly workers add a 3x multiplier to their reported hours? After all, as long as they do the work, their clients won't know the difference. Unless you're actively informing your employer that you're blocked or not being assigned enough work, there's an implication that your output is the product of full-time hours. You could probably get away with it for a time, since it's hard to validate that and there's a default expectation of good faith. Either way, it's essentially (if not actually) fraud. You can't negotiate a certain price for a certain expected value based on your resume and interview performance, and then intentionally deliver a fraction of that value. If you think an employer would be happy with that, then why not try and negotiate the same compensation for a part-time role? Or work as a contractor with a fixed price for each task, and then beat every time estimate to earn a higher effective hourly rate? Or simply provide notice partway into the engagement that you feel you've been delivering more value than your current level of compensation would justify, and therefore will be reducing your time commitment? You're free to sell your services in whatever way you'd like on the free market. The problem is when you enter into an agreement to sell them in a particular way, and then fail to deliver on that while deceiving the other party into believing otherwise.

cxr 3y ago
> why shouldn't lawyers and other high-skill hourly workers add a 3x multiplier to their reported hours Uh, they can. You're talking about price-setting; if you bill by the hour and charge X USD, then feel free to set your price at 3X USD instead. That's how agreements work. Unless by 3x multiplier you mean, "tell them I charge X USD per hour and then when the time comes even though I only worked 13 hours in a given week I'll claim to have worked 39", in which case that's, you know, fraud. > You can't negotiate a certain price for a certain expected value based on your resume and interview performance, and then intentionally deliver a fraction of that value. Non-sequitur. Either that, or you're not really talking about value, but you're still using that word anyway.
- buu700 3y ago
  Unless by 3x multiplier you mean, "tell them I charge X USD per hour and then when the time comes even though I only worked 13 hours in a given week I'll claim to have worked 39", in which case that's, you know, fraud. Yes, that's literally what I said. If you think you're entitled to a higher rate, charge a higher rate. Don't lie about the amount of work you did.
  - cxr 3y ago
    >Yes, that's literally what I said. In addition to playing it loose with the word "value" you have a broad definition of "literally". What you literally said is what I quoted, "why shouldn't lawyers and other high-skill hourly workers add a 3x multiplier to their reported hours". And the answer in the latter case is simple (and given): because it's fraud. > Don't lie about the amount of work you did. Another non-sequitur. Don't put onions in my coffee. Don't drive on the wrong side of the road.
    - buu700 3y ago
      If you're going to nitpick my comment, you should do it correctly. Inflating reported hours isn't the same thing as increasing an hourly rate. There's zero ambiguity there.
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      - cxr 3y ago
        > Inflating reported hours isn't the same thing as increasing an hourly rate. No kidding?
ghaff 3y ago
This gets at the crux of the matter. Just because you aren't literally billing anyone by the hour doesn't mean there isn't an implicit contract/mutual expectation that you're working 40-ish hours a week. Because as soon as the conversation switches to I'll take whatever I can get away with and you take whatever you can get away with, it may work a while but probably isn't a good long-term situation. Just because someone can get off with something doesn't mean they should or if it would be good for society for everyone to act that way.

by buu700 3y ago

cxr 3y ago

> why shouldn't lawyers and other high-skill hourly workers add a 3x multiplier to their reported hours Uh, they can. You're talking about price-setting; if you bill by the hour and charge X USD, then feel free to set your price at 3X USD instead. That's how agreements work. Unless by 3x multiplier you mean, "tell them I charge X USD per hour and then when the time comes even though I only worked 13 hours in a given week I'll claim to have worked 39", in which case that's, you know, fraud. > You can't negotiate a certain price for a certain expected value based on your resume and interview performance, and then intentionally deliver a fraction of that value. Non-sequitur. Either that, or you're not really talking about value, but you're still using that word anyway.

buu700 3y ago
Unless by 3x multiplier you mean, "tell them I charge X USD per hour and then when the time comes even though I only worked 13 hours in a given week I'll claim to have worked 39", in which case that's, you know, fraud. Yes, that's literally what I said. If you think you're entitled to a higher rate, charge a higher rate. Don't lie about the amount of work you did.
- cxr 3y ago
  >Yes, that's literally what I said. In addition to playing it loose with the word "value" you have a broad definition of "literally". What you literally said is what I quoted, "why shouldn't lawyers and other high-skill hourly workers add a 3x multiplier to their reported hours". And the answer in the latter case is simple (and given): because it's fraud. > Don't lie about the amount of work you did. Another non-sequitur. Don't put onions in my coffee. Don't drive on the wrong side of the road.
  - buu700 3y ago
    If you're going to nitpick my comment, you should do it correctly. Inflating reported hours isn't the same thing as increasing an hourly rate. There's zero ambiguity there.
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    - cxr 3y ago
      > Inflating reported hours isn't the same thing as increasing an hourly rate. No kidding?

ghaff 3y ago

This gets at the crux of the matter. Just because you aren't literally billing anyone by the hour doesn't mean there isn't an implicit contract/mutual expectation that you're working 40-ish hours a week. Because as soon as the conversation switches to I'll take whatever I can get away with and you take whatever you can get away with, it may work a while but probably isn't a good long-term situation. Just because someone can get off with something doesn't mean they should or if it would be good for society for everyone to act that way.