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The irony in your allegation is palpable. Anyone not following rabid anti-china lines MUST be a sockpuppet, bot, shill, or whatever, it can't possibly be a genu

by kkzz99 3y ago

The irony in your allegation is palpable. Anyone not following rabid anti-china lines MUST be a sockpuppet, bot, shill, or whatever, it can't possibly be a genuine opinion, which is exactly the stance of the article in question. As I said in another comment of mine where I was accused of the same: I generally don't comment, but I feel strongly about US-China relations, which makes me comment.

crazydoggers 3y ago
The speed with which this response was made is telling. On a comment and thread many hours old. Your initial comment was at 1am Central Time. Within minutes of this comment, at 9am Central time you responded. These are clear indications of a monitored account. In many other of “your” comments it’s been pointed out that your statements are incorrect, and provably false. At that point it goes from opinion to misinformation, and propaganda. One cannot pretend that China is not a totalitarian system built, with clear and consistent human rights violations. Where those who oppose the party line disappear. Contrast that with the US, where a former president is in a very public and contentious court case, with open coverage. Totalitarian regimes such as China and Russia view democracy and freedom of speech as a weakness to be exploited. What they fail to realize is that truth wins out. You can only lie for so long before you run smack into the truth of matters. Until and if China ever embraces the UN declaration of human rights, including the ratification of the ICCPR, its intentions are clear. China specifically believes that maintaining the party stranglehold on the country trumps the notion of universal human rights. And please don’t reply trying to obfuscate the issues, throw other propaganda, or whatabout’isms around. The support of a government clearly in direct opposition to freedom of speech, human rights, and democratic institutions cannot be supported in any society that values freedom and democracy.
- kkzz99 3y ago
  What does all that have to do with you basically calling me a sockpuppet? Kind of whataboutism, isn't it?
  - crazydoggers 3y ago
    It’s literally the topic of the article. The article is exactly about accounts like yours. That’s not whataboutism. That’s the topic at hand. Obviously you can’t explain how you are responding to these articles at all hours of the day, within minutes. > “I generally don't comment, but I feel strongly about US-China relations, which makes me comment.” Why on earth would you create an account 4 months ago, then only comment pro China and anti US sentiments? Hacker news is not a place for political arguments in most cases. In addition, you cannot explain why you literally spread false news and misinformation. In an earlier comment you stated specifically that Peng Shuai never disappeared. This flies in the face of multiple international, indisputable facts. References which can be found on the Wikipedia page about her disappearance. The typical response then is to attack Wikipedia, or hand wave away the proof with something like “western media is bias”.
    - kkzz99 3y ago
      I mean, I trust more what she herself had to say on the matter. https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-1224709 https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-12247... But I guess that's a controlled interview and she was forced to say that by her handlers. At this point, these accusations are just sad. But I guess I can't convince you that I'm just a random German software engineer living and working in Germany that cares about Sino/US relations and propaganda.
      - crazydoggers 3y ago
        So you’re a German software engineer who is fluent in Chinese, and reads pro Chinese “newspapers” from Singapore? You also happen to be awake at all hours of the day, and speak completely fluent English. You’re also a German who for some reason is extremely pro RPC? Color me skeptical. It’s also hilarious that you just did exactly what the top comment pointed out you would do: > Claim to be part of a group held dear by the audience. > Antistatement: Im totally against <topic>, but <propaganda narrative talking points >. Btw, the interview questions seem very clearly aimed at creating a narrative, so yes. There were no personal questions, only questions aimed at supporting a narrative. China has a documented history of such tactics. For example, state TV aired the “confessions” of Chinese human rights lawyers Wang Yu and Jiang Tianyong when they were in detention. Lawyers literally convicted of “subverting state power”, “inciting subversion of state power” or “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”. Women coming forward in the US is hard enough, and women being silenced here is still a problem. Never mind a country where no state official is investigated for such things, where there is no free press to independently investigate these things, with a history of arresting and disappearing activists. But let’s hand wave all of that clear and consistent history away, or pretend it doesn’t matter. Show me an open and transparent investigation of Zhang Gaoli. I’ll wait.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > Contrast that with the US, where a former president is in a very public and contentious court case, with open coverage. Who, Bush ? /s

by kkzz99 3y ago

crazydoggers 3y ago

The speed with which this response was made is telling. On a comment and thread many hours old. Your initial comment was at 1am Central Time. Within minutes of this comment, at 9am Central time you responded. These are clear indications of a monitored account. In many other of “your” comments it’s been pointed out that your statements are incorrect, and provably false. At that point it goes from opinion to misinformation, and propaganda. One cannot pretend that China is not a totalitarian system built, with clear and consistent human rights violations. Where those who oppose the party line disappear. Contrast that with the US, where a former president is in a very public and contentious court case, with open coverage. Totalitarian regimes such as China and Russia view democracy and freedom of speech as a weakness to be exploited. What they fail to realize is that truth wins out. You can only lie for so long before you run smack into the truth of matters. Until and if China ever embraces the UN declaration of human rights, including the ratification of the ICCPR, its intentions are clear. China specifically believes that maintaining the party stranglehold on the country trumps the notion of universal human rights. And please don’t reply trying to obfuscate the issues, throw other propaganda, or whatabout’isms around. The support of a government clearly in direct opposition to freedom of speech, human rights, and democratic institutions cannot be supported in any society that values freedom and democracy.

kkzz99 3y ago
What does all that have to do with you basically calling me a sockpuppet? Kind of whataboutism, isn't it?
- crazydoggers 3y ago
  It’s literally the topic of the article. The article is exactly about accounts like yours. That’s not whataboutism. That’s the topic at hand. Obviously you can’t explain how you are responding to these articles at all hours of the day, within minutes. > “I generally don't comment, but I feel strongly about US-China relations, which makes me comment.” Why on earth would you create an account 4 months ago, then only comment pro China and anti US sentiments? Hacker news is not a place for political arguments in most cases. In addition, you cannot explain why you literally spread false news and misinformation. In an earlier comment you stated specifically that Peng Shuai never disappeared. This flies in the face of multiple international, indisputable facts. References which can be found on the Wikipedia page about her disappearance. The typical response then is to attack Wikipedia, or hand wave away the proof with something like “western media is bias”.
  - kkzz99 3y ago
    I mean, I trust more what she herself had to say on the matter. https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-1224709 https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/china/story20211219-12247... But I guess that's a controlled interview and she was forced to say that by her handlers. At this point, these accusations are just sad. But I guess I can't convince you that I'm just a random German software engineer living and working in Germany that cares about Sino/US relations and propaganda.
    - crazydoggers 3y ago
      So you’re a German software engineer who is fluent in Chinese, and reads pro Chinese “newspapers” from Singapore? You also happen to be awake at all hours of the day, and speak completely fluent English. You’re also a German who for some reason is extremely pro RPC? Color me skeptical. It’s also hilarious that you just did exactly what the top comment pointed out you would do: > Claim to be part of a group held dear by the audience. > Antistatement: Im totally against <topic>, but <propaganda narrative talking points >. Btw, the interview questions seem very clearly aimed at creating a narrative, so yes. There were no personal questions, only questions aimed at supporting a narrative. China has a documented history of such tactics. For example, state TV aired the “confessions” of Chinese human rights lawyers Wang Yu and Jiang Tianyong when they were in detention. Lawyers literally convicted of “subverting state power”, “inciting subversion of state power” or “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”. Women coming forward in the US is hard enough, and women being silenced here is still a problem. Never mind a country where no state official is investigated for such things, where there is no free press to independently investigate these things, with a history of arresting and disappearing activists. But let’s hand wave all of that clear and consistent history away, or pretend it doesn’t matter. Show me an open and transparent investigation of Zhang Gaoli. I’ll wait.
hulitu 3y ago
> Contrast that with the US, where a former president is in a very public and contentious court case, with open coverage. Who, Bush ? /s