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Trying to use the file browser (Explorer) on Windows 11 is enough to make me want to gouge my eyes out. I only use Windows for launching Call of Duty. As soon a

Trying to use the file browser (Explorer) on Windows 11 is enough to make me want to gouge my eyes out. I only use Windows for launching Call of Duty. As soon as the game is off, the PC gets turned off. Linux gets a lot of flack for having UI issues - but truth be told modern Windows is a case study in lava driven development where some apps look like they were made in 1998 and others look like they were made by the IKEA childrens department. Heck even the OS installer has not been touched since Windows 7 and is pretty terrible. Modern KDE is really worth taking for a spin. I find it to be far more visually consistent than Windows 11. The customization can be all the rope to hang yourself with but if you don't go hogwild with that I find it is a very clean, modern and consistent desktop experience.

superchroma 3y ago
You aren't really suffering because the group policy manager or whatever isn't written in the latest winui framework. I'd rather continuity than apple style shenanigans in the name of an annual rebrand and spitshine.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  Apple is literally the definition of continuity. All of their apps have looked great and have remained consistent since OS X was initially released. Recent exception is the changes to the system settings panel, but the old design was the same for like 15 years. Just going through the "Let's finish setting up your PC!" that pops up after certain Windows updates (which is a problem in and of itself) illustrates the design inconsistency. Each stage of the wizard is a distinct web view rendering a completely different UI that has different fonts and buttons. You can get them to glitch and scroll a-la old school iframes, too. The context menus in Win11? They are fancy and new but 90% of the functions you want and need are hidden behind a disclosure menu that - you guessed it - pops out an ancient looking Windows 10 menu. Why even add the facade with limited functions? Just keep the old menu. I could probably write a 20 page blog post on all the UI fuckery in Windows 11. There is something to be said for the MSC stuff / management console remaining the same all these years ... but at that point we could all just be happy on Windows 2K shell with modern kernel and security enhancements.
  - seec 3y ago
    That's hardly true for many of the Apple apps (go look at the iTunes UI archive) and many of the changes are of questionnable usefulness/coherence/consistency. You are just more used to it and prefer the "airy" look. As far as I'm concerned, macOS has severely regressed and that's before considering 3rd party apps. Many of them do not macOS UI convention anymore (they became shitty anyway) and many others just use completely custom UI (both technical and look); to finish you have windows/linux ports that just have the chrome of a macOS apps but the whole UI is completely foreign and doesn't even try to fit in. If your use case fits narrowly into the confine of what software Apple produces, I guess you could loosely say that. But their continuity is only about a general look, sadly not how things work (or should work), not really that important in the end. The System Preferences re-design is precisely a case of looks over everything else (and previously it already had been downgraded, with sections/labels removed to make it look more minimalist). Apple makes fashion and like a shirt it will follow a basic pattern, but a lot of details change, and it matters...
kcb 3y ago
KDE is the pretty terrible in terms of consistency. Because it tries to support every variation of workflow it always felt like it was really lacking in UX. Ive tried several times to get it but I usually fall back to Gnome. Even if I don't agree with every decision and lack of customization at least it feels like there's some vision in how it should be used.
vitorgrs 3y ago
My problem with KDE is how ugly it is. Adwaita on Gnome it's much prettier. But at the same time, Gnome just lack a lot of things...

superchroma 3y ago

You aren't really suffering because the group policy manager or whatever isn't written in the latest winui framework. I'd rather continuity than apple style shenanigans in the name of an annual rebrand and spitshine.

whalesalad 3y ago
Apple is literally the definition of continuity. All of their apps have looked great and have remained consistent since OS X was initially released. Recent exception is the changes to the system settings panel, but the old design was the same for like 15 years. Just going through the "Let's finish setting up your PC!" that pops up after certain Windows updates (which is a problem in and of itself) illustrates the design inconsistency. Each stage of the wizard is a distinct web view rendering a completely different UI that has different fonts and buttons. You can get them to glitch and scroll a-la old school iframes, too. The context menus in Win11? They are fancy and new but 90% of the functions you want and need are hidden behind a disclosure menu that - you guessed it - pops out an ancient looking Windows 10 menu. Why even add the facade with limited functions? Just keep the old menu. I could probably write a 20 page blog post on all the UI fuckery in Windows 11. There is something to be said for the MSC stuff / management console remaining the same all these years ... but at that point we could all just be happy on Windows 2K shell with modern kernel and security enhancements.
- seec 3y ago
  That's hardly true for many of the Apple apps (go look at the iTunes UI archive) and many of the changes are of questionnable usefulness/coherence/consistency. You are just more used to it and prefer the "airy" look. As far as I'm concerned, macOS has severely regressed and that's before considering 3rd party apps. Many of them do not macOS UI convention anymore (they became shitty anyway) and many others just use completely custom UI (both technical and look); to finish you have windows/linux ports that just have the chrome of a macOS apps but the whole UI is completely foreign and doesn't even try to fit in. If your use case fits narrowly into the confine of what software Apple produces, I guess you could loosely say that. But their continuity is only about a general look, sadly not how things work (or should work), not really that important in the end. The System Preferences re-design is precisely a case of looks over everything else (and previously it already had been downgraded, with sections/labels removed to make it look more minimalist). Apple makes fashion and like a shirt it will follow a basic pattern, but a lot of details change, and it matters...

kcb 3y ago

KDE is the pretty terrible in terms of consistency. Because it tries to support every variation of workflow it always felt like it was really lacking in UX. Ive tried several times to get it but I usually fall back to Gnome. Even if I don't agree with every decision and lack of customization at least it feels like there's some vision in how it should be used.

vitorgrs 3y ago

My problem with KDE is how ugly it is. Adwaita on Gnome it's much prettier. But at the same time, Gnome just lack a lot of things...