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I'm very much a Linux person, having used it for decades, but I still find whenever I need to do something in Windows, that it's a total mess with regards to th

I'm very much a Linux person, having used it for decades, but I still find whenever I need to do something in Windows, that it's a total mess with regards to the different GUI paradigms in use in different tools. For instance, setting up an iSCSI volume drops you into some archaic window that isn't resizable despite having lengthy WWIDs that need to have their column size increased so that you can then scroll and actually see the relevant bit at the end. And that's just one example from the top of my head. Maybe I just notice the glaring inconsistencies and user-unfriendliness of it because I'm much more at home using a CLI which is typically very flexible and doesn't force you to interact with poorly designed GUIs.

soco 3y ago
If you need to connect iSCSI I'd say you're definitely not the target user base for Windows 11. I use W11 at home (streaming, browsing, emails, word) completely happy, it's a no-brain-required environment and W11 is perfect for that. At work I happily use Linux for all the tricks and updates and whatnot I actually need to do to win my bread. And someone else will happily use MacOS for artistry... so? Does that deny the use case of any others? No it doesn't.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  I have no issue with people using whatever OS they want to - that's part of why I had a big grudge against Microsoft over the years with their anti-competitive strategies. It just amazes me that other people don't pick up on the obvious issues that come with competing teams producing different parts of the OS. There's still a bunch of old style control panel tools in use in Win11 and they've been there since Vista at least.
pnutjam 3y ago
My kids windows computers suddenly activated Family mode so I need to log onto my MS account to authorize absolutely everything; but only in Edge, not Chrome. What's the point. It's very frustrating. I'll probably switch it to Linux for the one that uses Google classroom at school.
- lostmsu 3y ago
  > It's very frustrating. I'll probably switch it to Linux There's literally a setting with the word Family in it. Although I don't know how computers would activate whatever on their own.
  - pnutjam 3y ago
    Pretty sure it's inheriting it from the xbox since I use a family domain and even though I created a local Windows account it wants to link the MS account.
jhanschoo 3y ago
A user who doesn't particularly care for it can easily end up with a mess of paradigms too: terminal, qt, x, libadwaita, borderless IDEs, PWAs...
- ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
  That's more to do with the flexibility of choice and that there isn't one controlling organisation. However, the use of a CLI is pretty much ubiquitous with Linux and it's usually trivial to get text output into whatever form that you desire. I suppose my biggest gripe with Windows is non-resizable windows still in use in it - just why?
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
I will say, with a touch of humor (but also some genuine sharpness), it's been somewhat entertaining to watch things go from "Linux sucks because it's so inconsistent because it's built by a bunch of people with different ideas" to watching Windows, a single OS by exactly one company, devolve into the same hodgepodge. Like, sure, making GTK and QT apps look similar is a pain (if you even bother), but what's your excuse when they're all under one roof?

soco 3y ago

If you need to connect iSCSI I'd say you're definitely not the target user base for Windows 11. I use W11 at home (streaming, browsing, emails, word) completely happy, it's a no-brain-required environment and W11 is perfect for that. At work I happily use Linux for all the tricks and updates and whatnot I actually need to do to win my bread. And someone else will happily use MacOS for artistry... so? Does that deny the use case of any others? No it doesn't.

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
I have no issue with people using whatever OS they want to - that's part of why I had a big grudge against Microsoft over the years with their anti-competitive strategies. It just amazes me that other people don't pick up on the obvious issues that come with competing teams producing different parts of the OS. There's still a bunch of old style control panel tools in use in Win11 and they've been there since Vista at least.

pnutjam 3y ago

My kids windows computers suddenly activated Family mode so I need to log onto my MS account to authorize absolutely everything; but only in Edge, not Chrome. What's the point. It's very frustrating. I'll probably switch it to Linux for the one that uses Google classroom at school.

lostmsu 3y ago
> It's very frustrating. I'll probably switch it to Linux There's literally a setting with the word Family in it. Although I don't know how computers would activate whatever on their own.
- pnutjam 3y ago
  Pretty sure it's inheriting it from the xbox since I use a family domain and even though I created a local Windows account it wants to link the MS account.

jhanschoo 3y ago

A user who doesn't particularly care for it can easily end up with a mess of paradigms too: terminal, qt, x, libadwaita, borderless IDEs, PWAs...

ndsipa_pomu 3y ago
That's more to do with the flexibility of choice and that there isn't one controlling organisation. However, the use of a CLI is pretty much ubiquitous with Linux and it's usually trivial to get text output into whatever form that you desire. I suppose my biggest gripe with Windows is non-resizable windows still in use in it - just why?

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

I will say, with a touch of humor (but also some genuine sharpness), it's been somewhat entertaining to watch things go from "Linux sucks because it's so inconsistent because it's built by a bunch of people with different ideas" to watching Windows, a single OS by exactly one company, devolve into the same hodgepodge. Like, sure, making GTK and QT apps look similar is a pain (if you even bother), but what's your excuse when they're all under one roof?