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In other words Android users don't criticize Google. edit: It is hardly a big reveal that this correlation exists. Presumably people's opinions have an influ

In other words Android users don't criticize Google. edit: It is hardly a big reveal that this correlation exists. Presumably people's opinions have an influence on how they choose to spend their money and vice-versa. Singling out 'Apple Users' in this regard is just an ad hominem.

fpgeek 15y ago
If you really think "Android users don't criticize Google", you haven't been paying attention. Here are some common criticisms off the top of my head: - "Why doesn't the Nexus S / Galaxy Nexus have a microSD slot?" - "Why hasn't Google enabled paid apps in my country?" - "Why isn't Chrome Beta/Google Music/Books/Currents/... available in my country?" - "Why isn't the Nexus One getting ICS?" - "Google Play is a stupid name" - "Why does the Chrome Beta require ICS?" - "Google should clamp down more on Android OEMs" [to prevent fragmentation] - "Android should have open development, not just open source" - "Google's design guidelines for the back button are wrong" - ...
- rbarooah 15y ago
  Those are not criticisms of Google the company. They are minor feature gripes about products. This supports my point.
  - fpgeek 15y ago
    I don't really follow that. Perhaps the complaints about "Google Play" and the back button are minor gripes (though I have seen them woven into larger themes), but... The implied answer to any of the "Why" questions asked in anger (as they usually are) is "Google doesn't care about ______ users." (whether you fill in the blank with non-US, Nexus One, non-ICS, etc). Similarly, the implication behind the things Google/Android "should" be doing (but isn't) is that Google doesn't care about what they should (fragmentation and open source in my examples). Those are all criticisms of the company, not just the specific issue raised.
    - rbarooah 15y ago
      In that case you've successfully invalidated the parent poster's claim that posts critical of Google are only made by iPhone owners. Either way shows the parent post to be a baseless ad-hominem.
      - fpgeek 15y ago
        The parent post didn't say "posts critical of Google are only made by iPhone owners". Instead, it said there was a "correlation" between people who own iPhones and people who "focus" their "rants" on Google "to the exclusion of other players". It also wasn't talking about the tendency you reference upthread (people who use things from company X tend not to criticize company X). Let me try to make the claim clearer: People who use Apple products (specifically iPhones) disproportionately criticize Google (since Android). You may agree or disagree with that claim, but, in my opinion, it is a claim that should be evaluated on its own merits rather than summarily dismissed (as you do).
        rbarooah 15y ago
        I nowhere summarily dismiss it. I say that the correlation is not exclusive to Apple owners and is just a reflection of their opinions. What I dismiss is the claim that this pattern is somehow unique to Apple users commenting on Google vs say Android users commenting on Apple. That's what makes it an ad-hominem. Do you actually support this claim?
        ajross 15y ago
        Slow down. You're strawmaning really badly here. Neither did I say that the correlation was "exclusive" to Apple owners. I said (read carefully this time) that the perception that Google has been doing things worthy of heavy criticism ("turned evil", etc...) is unique to the community of technical Apple users (and that this community heavily overlaps the one here). Outside that echo chamber, even in highly technical communities, it doesn't exist. So I argue that it's a social artifact, not a reflection of Google's behavior.

fpgeek 15y ago

If you really think "Android users don't criticize Google", you haven't been paying attention. Here are some common criticisms off the top of my head: - "Why doesn't the Nexus S / Galaxy Nexus have a microSD slot?" - "Why hasn't Google enabled paid apps in my country?" - "Why isn't Chrome Beta/Google Music/Books/Currents/... available in my country?" - "Why isn't the Nexus One getting ICS?" - "Google Play is a stupid name" - "Why does the Chrome Beta require ICS?" - "Google should clamp down more on Android OEMs" [to prevent fragmentation] - "Android should have open development, not just open source" - "Google's design guidelines for the back button are wrong" - ...

rbarooah 15y ago
Those are not criticisms of Google the company. They are minor feature gripes about products. This supports my point.
- fpgeek 15y ago
  I don't really follow that. Perhaps the complaints about "Google Play" and the back button are minor gripes (though I have seen them woven into larger themes), but... The implied answer to any of the "Why" questions asked in anger (as they usually are) is "Google doesn't care about ______ users." (whether you fill in the blank with non-US, Nexus One, non-ICS, etc). Similarly, the implication behind the things Google/Android "should" be doing (but isn't) is that Google doesn't care about what they should (fragmentation and open source in my examples). Those are all criticisms of the company, not just the specific issue raised.
  - rbarooah 15y ago
    In that case you've successfully invalidated the parent poster's claim that posts critical of Google are only made by iPhone owners. Either way shows the parent post to be a baseless ad-hominem.
    - fpgeek 15y ago
      The parent post didn't say "posts critical of Google are only made by iPhone owners". Instead, it said there was a "correlation" between people who own iPhones and people who "focus" their "rants" on Google "to the exclusion of other players". It also wasn't talking about the tendency you reference upthread (people who use things from company X tend not to criticize company X). Let me try to make the claim clearer: People who use Apple products (specifically iPhones) disproportionately criticize Google (since Android). You may agree or disagree with that claim, but, in my opinion, it is a claim that should be evaluated on its own merits rather than summarily dismissed (as you do).
      - rbarooah 15y ago
        I nowhere summarily dismiss it. I say that the correlation is not exclusive to Apple owners and is just a reflection of their opinions. What I dismiss is the claim that this pattern is somehow unique to Apple users commenting on Google vs say Android users commenting on Apple. That's what makes it an ad-hominem. Do you actually support this claim?
        ajross 15y ago
        Slow down. You're strawmaning really badly here. Neither did I say that the correlation was "exclusive" to Apple owners. I said (read carefully this time) that the perception that Google has been doing things worthy of heavy criticism ("turned evil", etc...) is unique to the community of technical Apple users (and that this community heavily overlaps the one here). Outside that echo chamber, even in highly technical communities, it doesn't exist. So I argue that it's a social artifact, not a reflection of Google's behavior.