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If it can pass it when you ask it in a way only a coder can write, then we will still need coders. If you need to tweak your prompt until you get the correct r

If it can pass it when you ask it in a way only a coder can write, then we will still need coders. If you need to tweak your prompt until you get the correct result, then we still need coders who can tell that the code is wrong. Ask Product Managers to use ChatGPT instead of coders and they will ask for 7 red lines all perpendicular to each other with one being green. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg

anonzzzies 3y ago
I didn't say we don't need coders. We need less average/bad ones and a very large amounts of coders that came after the 'coding makes $$$$' worldwide are not even average. I won't say AI will not eventually make coding obsolete; even just 2 years ago I would've said we are 50-100 years away from that. No i'm not so sure. However, I am saying that I can replace many programmers with gpt right now, and I am. The prompting and reprompting is still both faster and cheaper than many humans.
- mathgeek 3y ago
  In my mind, we need more folks who have both the ability to code and the ability to translate business needs into business logic. That’s not a new problem though.
  - anonzzzies 3y ago
    That's what we are doing all day no? I mean besides fighting tooling (which is getting a larger and larger % of the time building stuff).
    - v-erne 3y ago
      Only if you have access to end user. If between you and your client four people are playing deaf phone (client's project manager, our project manager, team leader and some random product guy just to get even numer), then actually this is not what you are doing. I would argue that the thing that happens at this stage is more akin to manually transpiling business logic into code. In this kind od organization programmers become computer whisperers. And this is why there is a slight chance that GPT-6 or 7 will take their job.
BlueTemplar 3y ago
TFA's point is not that «coders» won't be needed any more, it's that they will hardly spend their time «coding», that is «devot[ing themselves] to tedium, to careful thinking, and to the accumulation of obscure knowledge», «rob[bing them] of both the joy of working on puzzles and the satisfaction of being the one[s] who solved them».

anonzzzies 3y ago

I didn't say we don't need coders. We need less average/bad ones and a very large amounts of coders that came after the 'coding makes $$$$' worldwide are not even average. I won't say AI will not eventually make coding obsolete; even just 2 years ago I would've said we are 50-100 years away from that. No i'm not so sure. However, I am saying that I can replace many programmers with gpt right now, and I am. The prompting and reprompting is still both faster and cheaper than many humans.

mathgeek 3y ago
In my mind, we need more folks who have both the ability to code and the ability to translate business needs into business logic. That’s not a new problem though.
- anonzzzies 3y ago
  That's what we are doing all day no? I mean besides fighting tooling (which is getting a larger and larger % of the time building stuff).
  - v-erne 3y ago
    Only if you have access to end user. If between you and your client four people are playing deaf phone (client's project manager, our project manager, team leader and some random product guy just to get even numer), then actually this is not what you are doing. I would argue that the thing that happens at this stage is more akin to manually transpiling business logic into code. In this kind od organization programmers become computer whisperers. And this is why there is a slight chance that GPT-6 or 7 will take their job.

BlueTemplar 3y ago

TFA's point is not that «coders» won't be needed any more, it's that they will hardly spend their time «coding», that is «devot[ing themselves] to tedium, to careful thinking, and to the accumulation of obscure knowledge», «rob[bing them] of both the joy of working on puzzles and the satisfaction of being the one[s] who solved them».