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Framework coupling sure, but that has little to do with adding other random dependencies. Also why would you be afraid of coupling to the framework? It's not l

by ric2b 3y ago

Framework coupling sure, but that has little to do with adding other random dependencies. Also why would you be afraid of coupling to the framework? It's not like you're going to be able to change the framework after the project grows, anyway.

mattgreenrocks 3y ago
For all the complaints of slow tests, the Rails community is reluctant to decouple from the framework, which is the root cause of the issue. To me, that is lack of discipline: choosing the framework way (e.g. tribal identity) over engineering integrity. It may be that slow tests are just easy to complain about, and there isn't much business value in doing that. Totally fine. But, other things come to mind: weird cottage industry of gems that did dubious things to speed up tests (and were prone to breaking), the skepticism around interactors, the hegemony of active record (the pattern). None of those are bad things, but they reinforced the fact that the technical values of the Rails community do not work for me.