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"the man literally had an intervention with fellow rich white buddies that he's gonna go bankrupt" You lost me there. No need to racist, you know? It goes both

"the man literally had an intervention with fellow rich white buddies that he's gonna go bankrupt" You lost me there. No need to racist, you know? It goes both ways.

ryzvonusef 3y ago
Apologies, I didn't mean to target any race, I was simply sharing an observation of mine. I have past the HN editing time limit or I would have removed the offending remark, no offense was meant.
darkwater 3y ago
(will be downvoted to death, I don't care) Nope, it doesn't go both way. Racism and classism only go one way, which is towards the poorer or more vulnerable part. Pick on the weaker is a sign of cowardice. Do the same on the stronger is well-accepted, and rightfully so. Always punch upwards.
- zpeti 3y ago
  Can we please get some "vulnerable" people into the NBA? You know, the ones who aren't represented there? Definitely seems like the stronger people seem to dominate there, and it's really unfair to the weak.
  - darkwater 3y ago
    NBA like in the National Basketball Association? You mean like the many European players that rock the NBA that are totally not Afro-American? Maybe the issue is in how the selection is done in American colleges. But I'm pretty sure the Afro-American population would gladly swap 50% of black NBA players to have 50% of them in the middle-class.
- sgu999 3y ago
  > Always punch upwards. A couple famous chilled dudes prescribed to not punch at all. The ones I'm thinking of were referring to Romans and British colonisers, but I suspect they'd have applied it to white rich buddies as well. (Please note that I didn't write what I think of it, I'm only fuelling the debate)
  - darkwater 3y ago
    Pacific resistance doesn't mean at all you are not punching/criticizing upwards! Also the imaginary guy from Nazareth had very harsh words for the merchants in the temple... (he even (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
    - sgu999 3y ago
      I took your "punch" literally on purpose ;) Even though I mostly take a "white X" as a metaphor for a lack of diversity (of opinions and mindsets), I don't think most people do. These people aren't assholes because they are "white X", they are assholes because they are bourgeois stuck in their echo chamber.
      - darkwater 3y ago
        And they are bourgeois because they are white. Or put in another manner, with the same brain and willpower but another skin color (which usually means being of another economic class as well) it would have been much much much more complicated for them to be some snob bourgeois.
        sgu999 3y ago
        > (which usually means being of another economic class as well) Class seems to be the determining factor, really. Europeans had a couple environmental advantages early on [0] that allowed them to monopolise the world's resources, which were never fairly redistributed. The current bourgeois are bourgeois mostly because their parents were, much less because they had the advantage of being white when building their wealth. There are of course outliers and ethnicity does have an impact, but overall there is very little social mobility anyway. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1842.Guns_Germs_and_Steel https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1842.Guns_Germs_and_Stee...
        darkwater 3y ago
        Exactly, European (aka "the whites", but I don't want to enter into what's white in the US vs rest of the world) had some advantage, they used it, gained more power and as everybody with power does, hold on to it by all their means. And even if rich families or dynasties come and go, the accrued wealth tends to not move too much. And it moves through generations, as you pointed out.
- kortilla 3y ago
  Racism does not only go one way. That’s a recent redefinition to allow rampant discrimination based on race in a guilt free manner.
  - darkwater 3y ago
    Yeah, just like western industrialized countries polluted for a literal century, accumulating wealth from it, and now that things are getting really screwed, everybody must not pollute. I'm not saying it is "right" to fuck with the World pollution or to hate someone and beat them because their skin is white. But in a certain way, they "earned" that right.
- hackernan9000 3y ago
  As someone who has been assaulted by a stranger and called a “cracker” during the assault I’m going to strongly disagree.
- JCharante 3y ago
  I didn’t downvote you because if I did it would take away my ability to reply to you. P.S. I disagree with you
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  This is garbage when you couple it with collective racial or even class identity. Not all whites or blacks are the same. Hating someone you know nothing about due to race is racist, full stop. The rule of averages don't apply to individuals. You can't beat a poor X child and call it punching up, because they are part of Y race.

"the man literally had an intervention with fellow rich white buddies that he's gonna go bankrupt" You lost me there. No need to racist, you know? It goes both ways.

ryzvonusef 3y ago

Apologies, I didn't mean to target any race, I was simply sharing an observation of mine. I have past the HN editing time limit or I would have removed the offending remark, no offense was meant.

darkwater 3y ago

(will be downvoted to death, I don't care) Nope, it doesn't go both way. Racism and classism only go one way, which is towards the poorer or more vulnerable part. Pick on the weaker is a sign of cowardice. Do the same on the stronger is well-accepted, and rightfully so. Always punch upwards.

zpeti 3y ago
Can we please get some "vulnerable" people into the NBA? You know, the ones who aren't represented there? Definitely seems like the stronger people seem to dominate there, and it's really unfair to the weak.
- darkwater 3y ago
  NBA like in the National Basketball Association? You mean like the many European players that rock the NBA that are totally not Afro-American? Maybe the issue is in how the selection is done in American colleges. But I'm pretty sure the Afro-American population would gladly swap 50% of black NBA players to have 50% of them in the middle-class.
sgu999 3y ago
> Always punch upwards. A couple famous chilled dudes prescribed to not punch at all. The ones I'm thinking of were referring to Romans and British colonisers, but I suspect they'd have applied it to white rich buddies as well. (Please note that I didn't write what I think of it, I'm only fuelling the debate)
- darkwater 3y ago
  Pacific resistance doesn't mean at all you are not punching/criticizing upwards! Also the imaginary guy from Nazareth had very harsh words for the merchants in the temple... (he even (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
  - sgu999 3y ago
    I took your "punch" literally on purpose ;) Even though I mostly take a "white X" as a metaphor for a lack of diversity (of opinions and mindsets), I don't think most people do. These people aren't assholes because they are "white X", they are assholes because they are bourgeois stuck in their echo chamber.
    - darkwater 3y ago
      And they are bourgeois because they are white. Or put in another manner, with the same brain and willpower but another skin color (which usually means being of another economic class as well) it would have been much much much more complicated for them to be some snob bourgeois.
      - sgu999 3y ago
        > (which usually means being of another economic class as well) Class seems to be the determining factor, really. Europeans had a couple environmental advantages early on [0] that allowed them to monopolise the world's resources, which were never fairly redistributed. The current bourgeois are bourgeois mostly because their parents were, much less because they had the advantage of being white when building their wealth. There are of course outliers and ethnicity does have an impact, but overall there is very little social mobility anyway. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1842.Guns_Germs_and_Steel https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1842.Guns_Germs_and_Stee...
        darkwater 3y ago
        Exactly, European (aka "the whites", but I don't want to enter into what's white in the US vs rest of the world) had some advantage, they used it, gained more power and as everybody with power does, hold on to it by all their means. And even if rich families or dynasties come and go, the accrued wealth tends to not move too much. And it moves through generations, as you pointed out.
kortilla 3y ago
Racism does not only go one way. That’s a recent redefinition to allow rampant discrimination based on race in a guilt free manner.
- darkwater 3y ago
  Yeah, just like western industrialized countries polluted for a literal century, accumulating wealth from it, and now that things are getting really screwed, everybody must not pollute. I'm not saying it is "right" to fuck with the World pollution or to hate someone and beat them because their skin is white. But in a certain way, they "earned" that right.
hackernan9000 3y ago
As someone who has been assaulted by a stranger and called a “cracker” during the assault I’m going to strongly disagree.
JCharante 3y ago
I didn’t downvote you because if I did it would take away my ability to reply to you. P.S. I disagree with you
s1artibartfast 3y ago
This is garbage when you couple it with collective racial or even class identity. Not all whites or blacks are the same. Hating someone you know nothing about due to race is racist, full stop. The rule of averages don't apply to individuals. You can't beat a poor X child and call it punching up, because they are part of Y race.