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And we have a bunch of 15 year old Macs in the basement that outlasted any PCs we ever owned. What’s the point of these personal anecdotes? Lenovos build quali

by ribit 3y ago

And we have a bunch of 15 year old Macs in the basement that outlasted any PCs we ever owned. What’s the point of these personal anecdotes? Lenovos build quality went down the drain in the last 10 years and their service is awful.

baz00 3y ago
I think the same is true of Apple stuff. I mean the current line of soldered SSDs, RAM and pain in the ass to remove batteries is quite frankly annoying as hell. And Apple service isn't much better (it has been 2 weeks and I'm waiting for them to refund AppleCare on something but they have a bug in their system that is preventing it that no one knows how to fix). As for Lenovo, at that price, I can usually just buy a whole replacement machine either new with warranty or new old stock for around 2/3 usual retail price and get it next day. I paid 730 GBP for my T14 gen 3 for example. And I got to stick bigger RAM and SSD in it and the battery comes out in 30 seconds. Granted the battery sucks but meh, you can't win everything.
- wiredfool 3y ago
  The 2016+ era MBPs were awful. The previous 2 generations were good, but had their occasional issues. Like the drive cable on the unibody MBP. I got 7 years out of a 2012 Air. The jury is still out on the m1 era, but it's looking better. We'll know for sure in about 5 years.
  - baz00 3y ago
    Yeah agree there. I had a 2010 MBP that I rather liked. The M1 era isn't looking good based on the number of bricked/dead and iCloud locked machines I see on eBay either corporate discards or damaged and not worth repairing. Also low quantities of parts on the market as well. Older MacBooks and PCs were usually pretty heavily shredded for parts but the same is definitely not true for the new ones. I suspect we've entered a new era of e-waste more than anything.
    - mtillman 3y ago
      I still use my 2013 mbp for my daily home computer. Couldn’t be happier with it for my use cases.
  - windowsrookie 3y ago
    My 2018 15" MacBook Pro has been used daily (since 2018) and still works great. I have never had a single issue with it. My M1 MacBook air has had a logic board replacement, and is currently getting a screen replacement because it shattered from the light pressure of my finger while adjusting the angle of the screen. Both of these issues seem to be very common across the internet. Before someone chimes in saying that I closed the lid on something and cracked the screen. No, It cracked while the lid was open, when my finger touched the display. Also it is the inner actual LCD that cracked. The outer glass sheet has no damage at all.
  - srvmshr 3y ago
    I still use two fully specced out 15" MacBook Pro Mid-2015. Battery lasts me close to 3 hours still on a regular work day. My previous 2010 MacBook pro similarly lasted 6 years (until about 2016 when I got two of these machines). Apple used to have a different league of build quality back then. It all started going down in late 2016.
criddell 3y ago
I think their build quality went down only in a relative way. Everybody is making pretty well build machines today and Lenovo hasn’t been improving fast enough. I think design is where they have been losing ground the fastest. Their machine thermals seem especially atrocious. My P1 really doesn’t need an LED to know it’s on because I can hear the fans.
linhns 3y ago
Agree to disagree. Lenovo Thinkpad are quite well built, other models are horror shows. I'm using a E480 that does not come with an SSD, yet I can still run Windows 11 smoothly with all the required stuff for development.

by ribit 3y ago

baz00 3y ago

I think the same is true of Apple stuff. I mean the current line of soldered SSDs, RAM and pain in the ass to remove batteries is quite frankly annoying as hell. And Apple service isn't much better (it has been 2 weeks and I'm waiting for them to refund AppleCare on something but they have a bug in their system that is preventing it that no one knows how to fix). As for Lenovo, at that price, I can usually just buy a whole replacement machine either new with warranty or new old stock for around 2/3 usual retail price and get it next day. I paid 730 GBP for my T14 gen 3 for example. And I got to stick bigger RAM and SSD in it and the battery comes out in 30 seconds. Granted the battery sucks but meh, you can't win everything.

wiredfool 3y ago
The 2016+ era MBPs were awful. The previous 2 generations were good, but had their occasional issues. Like the drive cable on the unibody MBP. I got 7 years out of a 2012 Air. The jury is still out on the m1 era, but it's looking better. We'll know for sure in about 5 years.
- baz00 3y ago
  Yeah agree there. I had a 2010 MBP that I rather liked. The M1 era isn't looking good based on the number of bricked/dead and iCloud locked machines I see on eBay either corporate discards or damaged and not worth repairing. Also low quantities of parts on the market as well. Older MacBooks and PCs were usually pretty heavily shredded for parts but the same is definitely not true for the new ones. I suspect we've entered a new era of e-waste more than anything.
  - mtillman 3y ago
    I still use my 2013 mbp for my daily home computer. Couldn’t be happier with it for my use cases.
- windowsrookie 3y ago
  My 2018 15" MacBook Pro has been used daily (since 2018) and still works great. I have never had a single issue with it. My M1 MacBook air has had a logic board replacement, and is currently getting a screen replacement because it shattered from the light pressure of my finger while adjusting the angle of the screen. Both of these issues seem to be very common across the internet. Before someone chimes in saying that I closed the lid on something and cracked the screen. No, It cracked while the lid was open, when my finger touched the display. Also it is the inner actual LCD that cracked. The outer glass sheet has no damage at all.
- srvmshr 3y ago
  I still use two fully specced out 15" MacBook Pro Mid-2015. Battery lasts me close to 3 hours still on a regular work day. My previous 2010 MacBook pro similarly lasted 6 years (until about 2016 when I got two of these machines). Apple used to have a different league of build quality back then. It all started going down in late 2016.

criddell 3y ago

I think their build quality went down only in a relative way. Everybody is making pretty well build machines today and Lenovo hasn’t been improving fast enough. I think design is where they have been losing ground the fastest. Their machine thermals seem especially atrocious. My P1 really doesn’t need an LED to know it’s on because I can hear the fans.

linhns 3y ago

Agree to disagree. Lenovo Thinkpad are quite well built, other models are horror shows. I'm using a E480 that does not come with an SSD, yet I can still run Windows 11 smoothly with all the required stuff for development.