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I remember getting robbed in SF on my 2nd time visiting and we waited for 4hrs for the police to show up and the bar owner being mad we called them, before we g

by dmix 3y ago

I remember getting robbed in SF on my 2nd time visiting and we waited for 4hrs for the police to show up and the bar owner being mad we called them, before we gave up. Never got a call back from the police either.

hurryer 3y ago
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- dmix 3y ago
  Disregarding petty crime is how SF became SF. It's the opposite of Manhattan's broken window theory, not only is it not properly enforced it's dismissed out of hand as unimportant and outsiders are told to accept it like it's a local custom.
- piva00 3y ago
  Robbery is a violent crime, it shouldn't be a "waste of police time" to report violent crimes... No matter the value of the belongings, that's secondary, the fear and violence shouldn't be tolerated. Can't really tell if you were being sarcastic.
  - ryukoposting 3y ago
    They aren't being sarsarcastic. The felony threshold for theft in CA is $950, raised from $450 in 2020. According to accounts from multiple friends living in SF, most theft below the felony threshold is totally ignored.
    - happytoexplain 3y ago
      Sarcasm applies to subjectivity ("wasting valuable police time"), not objectivity ("more than $950"). The use of the exact number implies they are being sarcastic (though they should have made that more clear).
  - uoaei 3y ago
    Robbery is not a violent crime unless they specifically threaten violence. If you just give someone your stuff when they ask you because you feel threatened that's not enough. You actually have to be threatened for violence to occur.
    - happytoexplain 3y ago
      This is wild. If somebody demands your wallet, there is an implicit threat of violence. It's an awful, scary, dehumanizing experience that destroys your sense of communal society. The lack of proper sympathy for victims of robbery is emblematic of how long and far we have strayed from a basic functioning trust-based society. If there is even a hint of an imagined whiff that a person might disagree with us on some semi-related social issue, we immediately block out 100% of what should be normal baseline human sympathy.
      - uoaei 3y ago
        And what of the sympathy for the dehumanized "criminals"? Have you ever been in such a desperate position that threatening violence on another person seems like a good idea? I came close once and I can tell you it completely changes your worldview. Empathy for those who have literally no other options in life is the way to solve this, because then we can talk in good faith about what it really takes to bring them back into the fold of society. Responding to crimes that have already happened is never going to work, you have to address the root causes of crime (nor does trying to predict crime, talk about lack of trust) -- that would among other things address the trust-based society problem we're having.
        piva00 3y ago
        It is still violent. I come from a poor country, where violence is extremely common, I've been robbed both at gunpoint as by veiled threats multiple times, being robbed is violent no matter if a gun, knife, or any other weapon is displayed or not. I feel sympathy for the ones causing it, getting to that point isn't in the majority of cases by choice and much more stemming from systemic issues, still it's violence against another human being, there's no sympathy that will change this.

by dmix 3y ago

hurryer 3y ago

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dmix 3y ago
Disregarding petty crime is how SF became SF. It's the opposite of Manhattan's broken window theory, not only is it not properly enforced it's dismissed out of hand as unimportant and outsiders are told to accept it like it's a local custom.
piva00 3y ago
Robbery is a violent crime, it shouldn't be a "waste of police time" to report violent crimes... No matter the value of the belongings, that's secondary, the fear and violence shouldn't be tolerated. Can't really tell if you were being sarcastic.
- ryukoposting 3y ago
  They aren't being sarsarcastic. The felony threshold for theft in CA is $950, raised from $450 in 2020. According to accounts from multiple friends living in SF, most theft below the felony threshold is totally ignored.
  - happytoexplain 3y ago
    Sarcasm applies to subjectivity ("wasting valuable police time"), not objectivity ("more than $950"). The use of the exact number implies they are being sarcastic (though they should have made that more clear).
- uoaei 3y ago
  Robbery is not a violent crime unless they specifically threaten violence. If you just give someone your stuff when they ask you because you feel threatened that's not enough. You actually have to be threatened for violence to occur.
  - happytoexplain 3y ago
    This is wild. If somebody demands your wallet, there is an implicit threat of violence. It's an awful, scary, dehumanizing experience that destroys your sense of communal society. The lack of proper sympathy for victims of robbery is emblematic of how long and far we have strayed from a basic functioning trust-based society. If there is even a hint of an imagined whiff that a person might disagree with us on some semi-related social issue, we immediately block out 100% of what should be normal baseline human sympathy.
    - uoaei 3y ago
      And what of the sympathy for the dehumanized "criminals"? Have you ever been in such a desperate position that threatening violence on another person seems like a good idea? I came close once and I can tell you it completely changes your worldview. Empathy for those who have literally no other options in life is the way to solve this, because then we can talk in good faith about what it really takes to bring them back into the fold of society. Responding to crimes that have already happened is never going to work, you have to address the root causes of crime (nor does trying to predict crime, talk about lack of trust) -- that would among other things address the trust-based society problem we're having.
      - piva00 3y ago
        It is still violent. I come from a poor country, where violence is extremely common, I've been robbed both at gunpoint as by veiled threats multiple times, being robbed is violent no matter if a gun, knife, or any other weapon is displayed or not. I feel sympathy for the ones causing it, getting to that point isn't in the majority of cases by choice and much more stemming from systemic issues, still it's violence against another human being, there's no sympathy that will change this.