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So they should ban instagram too. I have a feeling tiktok is probably more moderated and enforces stricter content rules than instagram. Of course may be tiktok
by yalogin 3y ago
So they should ban instagram too. I have a feeling tiktok is probably more moderated and enforces stricter content rules than instagram. Of course may be tiktok is just more popular and so has the target on it.
- karaterobot 3y ago> So they should ban instagram too. A great start!
- TerrifiedMouse 3y agoInstagram doesn’t have an algorithmic feed that introduce you to content - not that I know of. You pretty much only see instagram content when you visit a specific person’s page and that’s all you will ever see.
- blackoil 3y agoInsta reels and YouTube shorts are clone of Tiktok with similar feed/algo and content.
- theshrike79 3y agoEven Facebook has that vertical short video shit now spread among the other content.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoFacebook and Instagram "short video shit" is at least partially overlapping. This incidentally creates a quite grating user experience.
- syfari 3y agoInstagram does for reels and you occasionally get related pages popping up in your feed.
- themagician 3y agoI occasionally see a post from someone I follow. 90% of what’s in my feed is either and ad or “suggested for you”.
- aurareturn 3y agoWhen was the last time you used Instagram? Or Youtube? They're almost Tiktok clones at this point.
- TerrifiedMouse 3y agoI only visit on mobile. I thought the middle film thing icon was to take your own photos/videos - because that’s what the center icon did on the YouTube app; the last time I had the app installed. Never occurred to me it’s a feed. O_o
- rl3 3y agoInstagram as it exists today is a streamlined dopamine injection engine. Variable rewards, instantaneous short-form tailored content, fear of missing out. It's carefully built for continuous user engagement.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoThey're bad Tiktok clones. Which in this case is a good thing - their inferior algorithms make the result less addicting.
- f6v 3y agoI often get “For you” on the front app page instead of the accounts I’m following. This sometimes shows suggested pages.
- throwaway290 3y agoYou can switch to "Following" on front page and not get any algo recs but I don't think selection sticks. Algo recs and reels nearly killed IG for me. It desperately tries to become TikTok but that's not why I signed up for IG (which was photos). Photos still exist, but even if you like every photo and "dislike" every reel for months it will still push 99% reel content in your feed--whatever ML they use has been near totally useless.
- vineyardmike 3y agoThey introduced this recently. They do it just like TikTok.
- ehnto 3y agoI don't know if it was that recent? I abandoned the app two years ago because of the introduction of the algorithmic feed ( and the explore page, but at least you had to click on that )
- troupo 3y ago> Instagram doesn’t have an algorithmic feed that introduce you to content - not that I know of. That is literally their default mode. They had to introduce a "For You" feed (hidden behind a tap on Instagram logo) to go around EU regulations.
- TerrifiedMouse 3y agoI must have missed it because I don’t follow anyone and just go directly to their pages manually.
- troupo 3y agoThen you're in luck :) Instagram's default feed is an abomination. For me it shows two posts from people I follow, and then an endless stream of ads and "suggested" content. Thankfully I don't engage with Instagram much, and a few years back I muted/unfollowed a bunch of people, so the algorithmic feed is mostly okay: dogs, cats, climbing. But most of it is recycled regurgitated aggregator accounts
- mcfedr 3y agoI basically stopped using Instagram because it only shows you algorithm feed, I see so little content from the people I follow
- devoutsalsa 3y agoYou can just switch to “following” mode, but it is an annoying extra step.
- aurareturn 3y agoThere is no way to set it as default. You have to do it everytime which is extremely annoying. Instagram clearly does not want you to only see posts from the people you follow.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago> I have a feeling tiktok is probably more moderated and enforces stricter content rules than instagram Respectfully, did you read the article? They had more real problems with TikTok's moderation. > The Nepali government said that they had reached out to TikTok multiple times but the company declined to address their concerns about the content; Narayan Kaji Shrestha, the home minister, suggested a ban on the entire app since scrubbing offending videos individually would be too tricky, the New York Times reported.
- zo1 3y agoAnd youtube. YT shorts is essentially turning into TikTok. Short of whitelisting and pre-approving content I don't see how we can allow this to go on. This is quite frankly destroying peoples brains.
- all2 3y agoI was telling my SO today that I think social media should be regulated like cigarettes and booze.
- flkenosad 3y agoNone of those things should be regulated by the government. Families/communities should be capable of that.
- yard2010 3y agoAny ideas how I can turn off this cancer yt shorts? I'm not using it and yt keeps shoving it up my ass in every update..
- ComodoHacker 3y agoUse alternative YT front-end like Piped, Newpipe etc.
- worthless-trash 3y agoI could be wrong, but i thought i saw shorts on newpipe the other day.
- hackideiomat 3y agoDo not use their app, then set ad block rules to block whatever you want.
- RaiausderDose 3y agoI guess you are talking about mobile. There a several ytshorts blocker extensions for desktop browsers.
- makeitdouble 3y agoIt probably isn't about grand principles, and comes down to wether they have someone to talk to and accommodate their grievances. If Meta happened to be more reactive and cooperating than ByteDance, they won't be bothered.
- hoseja 3y agoInstagram presumably isn't controlled by an expansionist imperial power in Nepal's backyard.
- hackideiomat 3y agoit's not?
- jampekka 3y agoNot the expansionist imperial power in their backyard.
- AlecSchueler 3y agoWhy do you have that feeling? I volunteer helping to report and disrupt networks of sexual assault and hatred against women on social media. Tik Tok is like the wild west in terms of the availability of CSAM for example, and in how tolerant it is of hate speech. Instagram actually takes reports seriously and doesn't tolerate threats of violence etc.
- megapolitics 3y agoMy observation has been that the comments on high engagement TikTok posts are generally quite pleasant, whereas the comments on high engagement Instagram posts feel like a KKK meeting.
- iinnPP 3y agoThis is my experience as well (though it is uninstalled as of ~1 year ago). You get what you look for on Tiktok.
- mikrotikker 3y agoHaha now do YouTube.
- wongarsu 3y agoYoutube comments used to be known as a cesspool, but lately I'm mostly avoiding them for their unbearable positivity and uncritical praise of the video. I can see how that's bad on conspiracy or racist videos though.
- pyeri 3y agoBut tiktok does have an "agenda" of sorts. From what I've read, if you open tiktok app outside of China, most videos will be about ordinary folks celebrating a very liberal or open way of life, being an anarchist, anti-authoritarian or even a dissident is celebrated. But if you open tiktok from within China, most videos will be about Chinese patriotism and how that way of life is the best. In this case, anarchism or anti-authoritarian videos are NOT celebrated, they will be likely removed or banned from there.
- guardian5x 3y agoTikTok is not much different than Instagram and Youtube Shorts in the western world. That it is heavily moderated in China would not surprise me either. But i wouldn't call that an "agenda"
- throwaw33333434 3y ago> probably more moderated for now. Unpopular opinion, social network should be regulated like casinos.
- camillomiller 3y agoI would say rather like cigarettes
- mikrotikker 3y agoAdults are not immune.
- Sharlin 3y agoCigarettes are heavily regulated for adults too.
- camillomiller 3y agoI mean that we need something like a forced label on every social platform: a forced 5 second splash screen with a warning. “this app can cause depression, self-esteem issues and is detrimental to your mental health. Here are some resources to know more” I wish the EU commission had the guts to push for something like this for all dopamine-kick and scroll-based apps
- cultureswitch 3y agoSocial network apps with scrolling feeds are literally online slot machines. People get stuck in the machine zone. It's exactly the same thing, minus the explicit money transaction. This design should be regulated the same way slot machines are.
- BelleOfTheBall 3y agoInstagram has been around too long so gets largely ignored when people talk about bad influences from social media. Even though, realistically, any photo/video-based social media is awful for teenagers' self-esteem and mental health. [0] [0]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563220303277 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S07475...
- ElMocambo_x4 3y agoInstagram's influence on people is of a different kind (which doesn't mean it is not a concern...). TikTok directly fuels violence and low IQ, especially amongst teenagers.
- emptyfile 3y ago[dead]
- blackoil 3y ago> TikTok directly fuels violence and low IQ That isn't a very High IQ statement. Facebook is believed to be responsible for violence in Myanmar and other countries.
- mikrotikker 3y agoDon't forget it was also the chosen Livestream platform for the CHCH shooter and was where the "J6 Insurrection" was planned (hence the frantic redirection and sacrifice of the scapegoat known as Parler)
- spaceman_2020 3y agoThe Indian ban on TikTok was very curiously timed as well - right after a major investment in Jio (Reliance) from Facebook. No other apps were banned after that, nor was there any ban on Chinese smartphones. Trade with China has only increased rapidly since then. Coincidentally, India is perhaps the only large market where Instagram still dominates
- blackoil 3y agoNot much to do with Facebook. The people and govt were struggling with Covid and govt. wanted to show some action. India also had some border skirmish with China just before that and also the govt wants to reduce dependency on China in general.
- butterNaN 3y agoIIRC the TikTok (and others) ban had to do with some Chinese incursion inside Indian territory, and the government wanted to appear to be doing something.
- dd_xplore 3y agoThat's a incorrect and biased piece of sentence. Over 60 apps were banned initially, some before the skirmishes and some after. Kindly do not spread biased political propaganda.
- air3y 3y agoThe direct trigger was a violent confrontation on the border that led to the loss of life of 20 Indian soldiers. The govt wanted to be seen as taking action, while dependence on Chinese supply chain meant any action on the trade front would hurt India's own economy. So popular Chinese apps were seen as a softer target and banned. Aliexpress was also targeted with shipped products being held up at customs indefinitely, leading to aliexpress ending shipping to India from China.
- dzhiurgis 3y agoYeah sure. Love how my pro-Israel comments get immediately deleted.
- bt4u 3y ago[dead]
- mikrotikker 3y agoIt's a Chinese propaganda platform.
- andai 3y agoWhy are all the comments that point out who runs TikTok downvoted? I want to suggest the same people are active on this platform, which sounds absurd, of course, but also they wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't!
- mistermann 3y ago> Why are all the comments that point out who runs TikTok downvoted? I downvote them for their potentially misinformative nature, which can lead to delusion and disharmony.
- K0balt 3y agoIt seems to me that the world would be an objectively better place without any of the current generation of social media where you get force-fed content. Anything with a “feed” of anything other than what you specifically seek out to follow should be constrained at least by persistent warnings like cigarette labels and prevented from being used for advertising (subscription or freemium model). Advertising should be banned on media that is proven to promote social harm. MySpace, blogs, newsgroups, IRC were the socially optimal form, even if not the commercially optimal implementation. Everything else creates ragebait, doomscrolling, self reinforcing insecurity loops, rabbit holing, and other negative social consequences. If anyone has a counterpoint, I’m actually really interested in other, more positive, models for online social interaction.
- skizm 3y ago> Of course may be tiktok is just more popular Instagram: 2.35B MAUs, tiktok: 1B MAUs (reported by a Chinese company so... probably like half that)