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Getting too close is dangerous, but they won't let you get close enough to be in danger; the safety perimeter on these things is set quite conservatively. Explo

Getting too close is dangerous, but they won't let you get close enough to be in danger; the safety perimeter on these things is set quite conservatively. Exploding on the launch pad is very expected and planned for.

tomschlick 3y ago
Elon mentioned on the JRE podcast the other day that the clearance for FAA, F&W, Coast Guard, etc is so extensive that they even had to try and calculate the likelihood of hitting a shark with debris which is so astronomically small of a chance that its pointless and ridiculous. So yeah, I think they have the human factor of the safety planning covered.
ethbr1 3y ago
> Getting too close is dangerous, but they won't let you get close enough to be in danger; Explain to me how a rocket with enough delta-v to reach orbit isn't potentially dangerous to anyone within viewing distance? I've watched rocket launches in person, but it is a stack of explosive fuel...
- Me1000 3y ago
  Because the rocket isn’t a really an explosive like a bomb, it’s a pressurized fuel tank. If the rocket fails during launch and there’s what we’d colloquially call an “explosion” it’s not going to extend too far past the rockets current position, it’s just going to cause a massive fire ball. But the keep out zone is far enough away that there’s absolutely no risk of that fireball reaching you.
  - vultour 3y ago
    Well the FTS failed on the first launch, so if there was a guidance malfunction it could have probably hit something outside of the designated safe area. Fixing it was a prerequisite for the second launch so I assume it's not going to happen again.
    - ethbr1 3y ago
      Guidance failure is my perspective. There's a practical argument to be made that acceleration + range control = rocket detonated before it leaves bounds. But from a physics worst-case perspective, if something can move itself to orbit it can move itself plenty far terrestrially.
- jimrandomh 3y ago
  When it comes to distance from an exploding rocket, inverse-square works in your favor. It's relatively straightforward to calculate an upper bound on how big the blast can be based on the amount of energy in the fuel. (I believe the closest you can get without going into the exclusion zone is about five miles.)
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    That's assuming it doesn't fly to you and then explode. As unlikely as can be engineered, but energetically possible!
- extraduder_ire 3y ago
  I mean, it's potentially dangerous to most people on earth. That's why there's a range safety officer, and a flight termination system (explosives, rigged up to unzip the tanks) on board. The last launch got them in trouble, because they rocket took too long to explode after the termination system was triggered.

tomschlick 3y ago

Elon mentioned on the JRE podcast the other day that the clearance for FAA, F&W, Coast Guard, etc is so extensive that they even had to try and calculate the likelihood of hitting a shark with debris which is so astronomically small of a chance that its pointless and ridiculous. So yeah, I think they have the human factor of the safety planning covered.

ethbr1 3y ago

> Getting too close is dangerous, but they won't let you get close enough to be in danger; Explain to me how a rocket with enough delta-v to reach orbit isn't potentially dangerous to anyone within viewing distance? I've watched rocket launches in person, but it is a stack of explosive fuel...

Me1000 3y ago
Because the rocket isn’t a really an explosive like a bomb, it’s a pressurized fuel tank. If the rocket fails during launch and there’s what we’d colloquially call an “explosion” it’s not going to extend too far past the rockets current position, it’s just going to cause a massive fire ball. But the keep out zone is far enough away that there’s absolutely no risk of that fireball reaching you.
- vultour 3y ago
  Well the FTS failed on the first launch, so if there was a guidance malfunction it could have probably hit something outside of the designated safe area. Fixing it was a prerequisite for the second launch so I assume it's not going to happen again.
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    Guidance failure is my perspective. There's a practical argument to be made that acceleration + range control = rocket detonated before it leaves bounds. But from a physics worst-case perspective, if something can move itself to orbit it can move itself plenty far terrestrially.
jimrandomh 3y ago
When it comes to distance from an exploding rocket, inverse-square works in your favor. It's relatively straightforward to calculate an upper bound on how big the blast can be based on the amount of energy in the fuel. (I believe the closest you can get without going into the exclusion zone is about five miles.)
- ethbr1 3y ago
  That's assuming it doesn't fly to you and then explode. As unlikely as can be engineered, but energetically possible!
extraduder_ire 3y ago
I mean, it's potentially dangerous to most people on earth. That's why there's a range safety officer, and a flight termination system (explosives, rigged up to unzip the tanks) on board. The last launch got them in trouble, because they rocket took too long to explode after the termination system was triggered.