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How loud is it from Isla Blanca? I'm bringing elementary aged kids. Should I bring headphones? Anything else I should bring?

holler 3y ago
Very loud, bring ear protection! The crackling of the engines will make your entire body shake. Other than that just comfy clothes you can walk on the sand in. It's a real unique experience, you're in for a treat!
- qwertox 3y ago
  > The crackling of the engines will make your entire body shake. I've never heard it IRL but I absolutely love this sound, also from back then when the Space Shuttle launched. IDK why, but it is just such a perfect sound to me. As if it were the best indicator of the tremendous amount of energy being released there.
  - p1mrx 3y ago
    Scott Manley explaining the crackle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCizNwLaHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCizNwLaHA
    - smhg 3y ago
      Making a video about a specific sound, talking through the whole (first?, hopefully) example.
    - Rastonbury 3y ago
      The video showing the distortions from the shockwave off the jet are pretty amazing
  - jcims 3y ago
    There’s an entire portion of this that’s missing in the audio tracks from any launch I’ve watched on tv, YouTube, etc. The deep bass notes go soo low and have this wild elastic ringing tonal quality to them. Like someone is playing a huge kit of koto drums or something. You can really start to hear acoustic dispersion effects as well. https://youtu.be/KbmOcT5sX7I?si=aYfzx3CScYnQYiqK https://youtu.be/KbmOcT5sX7I?si=aYfzx3CScYnQYiqK
  - jvm___ 3y ago
    The crackle of the air moving back and forth during a shuttle launch would be so fast and intense that the friction of the air (near the launch pad) would set the grass on fire.
    - admash 3y ago
      That was such a delightful fact that I had to source it. Tragically, it is not true. Gee, K. L., Mathews, L. T., Anderson, M. C., & Hart, G. W. (2022). Saturn-V sound levels: A letter to the Redditor. The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, 152(2), 1068-1073. https://web.archive.org/web/20220831190741id_/https://asa.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1121/10.0013216 https://web.archive.org/web/20220831190741id_/https://asa.sc... "While this peak level represents acoustic amplitudes that would propagate nonlinearly to rapidly form shocks and result in perception of jet “crackle” (e.g., see Gee et al., 2016), will it melt concrete or set grass or one’s hair on fire? It will definitely not."
      - mrchucklepants 3y ago
        The lead author of this paper is a friend of mine and an expert in non-linear acoustics, particularly jet and rocket noise.
  - klazutin 3y ago
    I have generally been annoyed by the lengthy take off animations in Starfield, but the one thing I find satisfying every time I see one is that crackle of the engines. I can't think of any other game I played that would have this sound, so it immediately struck me as nice attention to detail.
- fy20 3y ago
  When I was young I had relatives that lived near Heathrow airport in London. Whenever Concorde would take off, the windows in the whole house would end up shaking. The total power output of Concorde was around half that of a 747, but for takeoff Concorde needed to use after burners - which I guess is the same mechanism at play here.
philwelch 3y ago
Maybe for the kids, but I didn’t use ear protection and I don’t remember noticing anyone around me who did. It’s not dangerously or uncomfortably loud from the park in my experience. Bring binoculars. You don’t need them to see the rocket on the pad but it flies away pretty fast once it’s going, and they’re useful for watching propellant load and noticing other details. I also bring camping chairs, sunscreen, bug spray, and a bottle of water.
- euroderf 3y ago
  What's the advice to the public about not wondering off the beaten track ? I ask because there's special forces in the swamps, looking for troublemakers/saboteurs.
  - philwelch 3y ago
    The island is across the water from the launch site, and SpaceX has its own fences and security for the facilities on their side. There’s also an employees only viewing area on the island. There’s also a protected wetlands but that’s unrelated.

holler 3y ago

Very loud, bring ear protection! The crackling of the engines will make your entire body shake. Other than that just comfy clothes you can walk on the sand in. It's a real unique experience, you're in for a treat!

qwertox 3y ago
> The crackling of the engines will make your entire body shake. I've never heard it IRL but I absolutely love this sound, also from back then when the Space Shuttle launched. IDK why, but it is just such a perfect sound to me. As if it were the best indicator of the tremendous amount of energy being released there.
- p1mrx 3y ago
  Scott Manley explaining the crackle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCizNwLaHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCizNwLaHA
  - smhg 3y ago
    Making a video about a specific sound, talking through the whole (first?, hopefully) example.
  - Rastonbury 3y ago
    The video showing the distortions from the shockwave off the jet are pretty amazing
- jcims 3y ago
  There’s an entire portion of this that’s missing in the audio tracks from any launch I’ve watched on tv, YouTube, etc. The deep bass notes go soo low and have this wild elastic ringing tonal quality to them. Like someone is playing a huge kit of koto drums or something. You can really start to hear acoustic dispersion effects as well. https://youtu.be/KbmOcT5sX7I?si=aYfzx3CScYnQYiqK https://youtu.be/KbmOcT5sX7I?si=aYfzx3CScYnQYiqK
- jvm___ 3y ago
  The crackle of the air moving back and forth during a shuttle launch would be so fast and intense that the friction of the air (near the launch pad) would set the grass on fire.
  - admash 3y ago
    That was such a delightful fact that I had to source it. Tragically, it is not true. Gee, K. L., Mathews, L. T., Anderson, M. C., & Hart, G. W. (2022). Saturn-V sound levels: A letter to the Redditor. The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, 152(2), 1068-1073. https://web.archive.org/web/20220831190741id_/https://asa.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1121/10.0013216 https://web.archive.org/web/20220831190741id_/https://asa.sc... "While this peak level represents acoustic amplitudes that would propagate nonlinearly to rapidly form shocks and result in perception of jet “crackle” (e.g., see Gee et al., 2016), will it melt concrete or set grass or one’s hair on fire? It will definitely not."
    - mrchucklepants 3y ago
      The lead author of this paper is a friend of mine and an expert in non-linear acoustics, particularly jet and rocket noise.
- klazutin 3y ago
  I have generally been annoyed by the lengthy take off animations in Starfield, but the one thing I find satisfying every time I see one is that crackle of the engines. I can't think of any other game I played that would have this sound, so it immediately struck me as nice attention to detail.
fy20 3y ago
When I was young I had relatives that lived near Heathrow airport in London. Whenever Concorde would take off, the windows in the whole house would end up shaking. The total power output of Concorde was around half that of a 747, but for takeoff Concorde needed to use after burners - which I guess is the same mechanism at play here.

philwelch 3y ago

Maybe for the kids, but I didn’t use ear protection and I don’t remember noticing anyone around me who did. It’s not dangerously or uncomfortably loud from the park in my experience. Bring binoculars. You don’t need them to see the rocket on the pad but it flies away pretty fast once it’s going, and they’re useful for watching propellant load and noticing other details. I also bring camping chairs, sunscreen, bug spray, and a bottle of water.

euroderf 3y ago
What's the advice to the public about not wondering off the beaten track ? I ask because there's special forces in the swamps, looking for troublemakers/saboteurs.
- philwelch 3y ago
  The island is across the water from the launch site, and SpaceX has its own fences and security for the facilities on their side. There’s also an employees only viewing area on the island. There’s also a protected wetlands but that’s unrelated.