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Apple computers have a time limit if you want to keep using MacOS. My 2012 MacBook Retina still works great ... if I put Linux on it. Logic Pro is a great exam

by city41 3y ago

Apple computers have a time limit if you want to keep using MacOS. My 2012 MacBook Retina still works great ... if I put Linux on it. Logic Pro is a great example. It requires MacOS 12 or greater. MacOS 12 will only run on 2015 or newer MacBooks.

kjkjadksj 3y ago
You can just run older logic thats compatible with like catalina or mojave. Thats what I do for adobe suite and its fine for my use cases. There are also third party patches to install more current os on older hardware.
iwanttocomment 3y ago
... and so do Windows machines. Windows 10 will EOL in July 2025. My Threadripper 1950X, still outperforming most of today's mid-range CPUs, isn't allowed into the Windows 11 world. Why? Who knows? But yes, I didn't realize that Logic Pro was no longer compatible with macOS versions before 12. So, if this person wanted an indestructible laptop that could run Logic Pro, have a hi-res screen and be upgraded to a 1TB drive, a 2015 Macbook Pro would certainly have been the thing. Hey look, they're $300 on Swappa! But yes, eventually, we all need to upgrade.
- city41 3y ago
  I got off this rollercoaster by using Linux. My 10 year old Thinkpad works just fine today, and probably will for another 10 years. Linux isn't for everyone, of course. But avoiding this charade is a nice bonus.
- i5-2520M 3y ago
  We know exactly what the hard cutoff is for CPUs. This feature is what the official CPU list is based on. (with the exception of 7th gen intel systems added due to the surface linup) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Level_Address_Translation#Mode_Based_Execution_Control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Level_Address_Translati... Soft support is actually just Secure Boot and TPM1.2, so you could probably install from ISO, the installer will not warn you about any issues. I have tried this on 6th gen i7 laptops without an issue. Technically you are just blocked from recieving an update to 10, but not from running or using 11. You can even get 11 working on systems without a TPM, but that is more tricky. I would say OS support is still better overall on the windows side, you can get a still supported OS, on 15 year old systems (win10). And on the EOL date it will be about equivalent. We will see what the future holds for 12.
- 22c 3y ago
  I think a key difference between Windows and MacOS is that Microsoft has (historically at least) not stopped you from installing newer versions of Windows on older hardware, provided it's fast enough to run it. Trying to run newer versions of MacOS on 10 year old Apple hardware is next to impossible. Windows 11 has a requirement for TPM 2.0, which older hardware doesn't have. I believe that requirement check is relatively easy to patch out and install anyway.
  - eviks 3y ago
    How is it impossible if opencore app exists that does the installation of MacOS for you?
    - 22c 3y ago
      I wasn't aware of that app, sounds neat!

by city41 3y ago

kjkjadksj 3y ago

You can just run older logic thats compatible with like catalina or mojave. Thats what I do for adobe suite and its fine for my use cases. There are also third party patches to install more current os on older hardware.

iwanttocomment 3y ago

... and so do Windows machines. Windows 10 will EOL in July 2025. My Threadripper 1950X, still outperforming most of today's mid-range CPUs, isn't allowed into the Windows 11 world. Why? Who knows? But yes, I didn't realize that Logic Pro was no longer compatible with macOS versions before 12. So, if this person wanted an indestructible laptop that could run Logic Pro, have a hi-res screen and be upgraded to a 1TB drive, a 2015 Macbook Pro would certainly have been the thing. Hey look, they're $300 on Swappa! But yes, eventually, we all need to upgrade.

city41 3y ago
I got off this rollercoaster by using Linux. My 10 year old Thinkpad works just fine today, and probably will for another 10 years. Linux isn't for everyone, of course. But avoiding this charade is a nice bonus.
i5-2520M 3y ago
We know exactly what the hard cutoff is for CPUs. This feature is what the official CPU list is based on. (with the exception of 7th gen intel systems added due to the surface linup) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Level_Address_Translation#Mode_Based_Execution_Control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Level_Address_Translati... Soft support is actually just Secure Boot and TPM1.2, so you could probably install from ISO, the installer will not warn you about any issues. I have tried this on 6th gen i7 laptops without an issue. Technically you are just blocked from recieving an update to 10, but not from running or using 11. You can even get 11 working on systems without a TPM, but that is more tricky. I would say OS support is still better overall on the windows side, you can get a still supported OS, on 15 year old systems (win10). And on the EOL date it will be about equivalent. We will see what the future holds for 12.
22c 3y ago
I think a key difference between Windows and MacOS is that Microsoft has (historically at least) not stopped you from installing newer versions of Windows on older hardware, provided it's fast enough to run it. Trying to run newer versions of MacOS on 10 year old Apple hardware is next to impossible. Windows 11 has a requirement for TPM 2.0, which older hardware doesn't have. I believe that requirement check is relatively easy to patch out and install anyway.
- eviks 3y ago
  How is it impossible if opencore app exists that does the installation of MacOS for you?
  - 22c 3y ago
    I wasn't aware of that app, sounds neat!