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OpenAI offers $10M pay packages to poach Google researchers
- riku_iki 3y agoI am fascinated how this outlet (theinformation.com) spreads clickbaity rumors and sells them behind paywall.
- AuthConnectFail 3y agoThey are very legit and well researched articles, probably the most accurate in terms of tech news(semaphore is pretty good as well). However, for niche audience news, subscription is probably the only sustainable way to build a business
- riku_iki 3y agothis is not my observations. I researched few news stories like that, and it was like "someone told someone" without a chance of verification. I bet this one is also like that.
- modeless 3y agoNot naming sources is one thing, but which news stories from The Information were false? IMO they have an amazing track record, to the point where half the tech news you read is some journalist's distorted summary of something they read in The Information. There's a reason they can charge $400 per year and people pay.
- riku_iki 3y agoI didn't say "false", I said rumors which are not possible to verify.
- modeless 3y agoThe service they provide is verifying rumors, essentially. Due to the nature of the subject matter it's not possible for them to show you all the data you need to verify things yourself. If you don't want to trust their verification that's your prerogative but IMO rather silly considering their excellent past track record. And that's coming from someone who is extremely critical of most journalism these days.
- riku_iki 3y ago> IMO rather silly considering their excellent past track record this is absolute handvawing
- modeless 3y agoTheir past reporting on non-public information that I was personally familiar with has been 100% correct. This particular news about $10m packages was just corroborated independently by some well known researchers I follow on Twitter. Based on that and their prior track record of things they reported first that later became public and were true, I trust their reporting on other things I can't immediately verify.
- riku_iki 3y ago> This particular news about $10m packages was just corroborated independently by some well known researchers I follow on Twitter. can you post the link?
- nothrowaways 3y agoMoney hack: leave open AI, join Google, land openAI, repeat.
- bobsmooth 3y agoIsn't this the common advice for software engineers?
- newswasboring 3y agoThat's not a hack, that's practically an industry standard.
- ofou 3y agoarchive.ph?
- xdavidliu 3y agoyou can put the url immediately after archive.ph/ and it works
- p1esk 3y agoI'm curious why would they need to do this. They are ahead of Google (and are arguably less evil), so the best people should naturally want to go to them. Besides, they probably already have all the people they need, now they just need more GPUs to test ideas.
- foobarbecue 3y agoI dunno, I think it's pretty evil to misuse the word "open" like that
- p1esk 3y agoWould you rather work for Google developing cutting edge AI models, or for OpenAI?
- janalsncm 3y agoDoesn’t seem unreasonable to me. Top athletes can make hundreds of millions. For a company looking to lock down talent in a fast moving market, it would be strange to not be offering large compensation packages.
- nick222226 3y agoWhat's the fastest way to jump this ladder. Swe at Google, cross train yourself on LLM in 20% time and at home, internal transfer, then get competing offers?
- letitgo12345 3y agoPublish high impact papers or develop a social circle of influential folks and impress them
- woeirua 3y agoMost of these people presumably have PhDs from top tier universities. So... don't think you'd be able to jump aboard this train without going back to school for a bit.
- p1esk 3y agoMost of these people are the best in the world at what they do. Like literally, the best out of tens of thousands of other smart people doing the same thing. If you think that you will become the worlds foremost expert in something if you "go back to school for a bit", then I don't know, maybe you should just go for it.
- Der_Einzige 3y agoPublish a 10000 citation paper at NeurIPS.
- TaylorAlexander 3y agoBe born in 1980. Have reasonably well-off parents. Spend your childhood learning math and computers. Travel a little and learn a bit about the world. Study hard and do your homework. Get in to a top university and work on exactly the right problems. Get a job at google some time between 2003 and 2009. Spend at least a decade solving hard problems there, making good visible progress. Now wait to rake in the sweet sweet offers.
- p1esk 3y ago
- maxlamb 3y agoWeird coincidence that it’s the exact same amount that Research In Motion paid to poach top engineers from Google / Microsoft back in the 2000’s to help grow their Blackberry network capacity (assuming the Blackberry movie is accurate)
- VirusNewbie 3y agoI find it hard to believe it’s the case for an average researcher, we know their pay package for most L6 engineers is a bit under 1m. But maybe a “fellow” or distinguished engineer?
- PumpkinSpice 3y agoYes, it probably applies to the most qualified hires, so probably folks who are already around $1M total comp where they are. But the most important point is, you don't get that money now, and maybe never. The most likely scenario where you get that kind of a payday is if they go public and if the pre-IPO pie-in-the-sky valuation holds for a good while. It might. But it's far more of a gamble than your FAANG stock.
- VirusNewbie 3y agoI assume an engineering fellow at Amazon or Google is making well over 1M, so that actually makes sense to need to give them 3x or more for drastically less liquid comp.
- almost_usual 3y ago> Join us now to lock in a stock package at the current valuation of $27 billion and benefit from the impending increase. Oh, so not $10M.
- dc3k 3y agoI closed three banners and a payment popup before being told I couldn’t read the entire article.
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- dang 3y agoHardwalled articles (that is, paywalls without workarounds) aren't allowed on HN - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989. theinformation.com used to open certain articles for HN readers but they stopped responding to our emails years ago
- slater 3y agoAre paywalls ok? It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds.
- choppaface 3y agoHere are other non-paywalled articles reporting on the news, but some say The Information was the first to report. https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/business/openai-reportedly-trying-to-poach-google-ai-talent-with-10m-pay-packages-as-race-heats-up/amp/ https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/business/openai-reportedly-try... https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-google-ai-employees-10-million-compensation-package-2023-11?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-recruiters-luring-goo... That said, the headline says the most of it: OpenAI-Google poaching wars similar to Facebook-Google now about 10 years ago, though the pay packages are about double today. Note that the creator of Kubernetes almost took a poach to Facebook, but Google countered and he stayed to create Kubernetes. So the astute HN reader will look at the article headline and then look beyond, as often the article doesn’t tell the whole story. Also context: YC has vested interests in OpenAI and HN moderation is part of YC. It is beyond me why HN moderation here decides to target my submission with needless references (one of those links is over 7 years old now) and have that appear at the top of the comments. Instead of hey maybe linking to non-paywalled articles. Which would be in the spirit of making HN a place about conversation and learning. And which would be much more aligned with how YC compensates HN moderation. Given there are many hard walled / paywalled articles posted to HN and do not receive such attention from HN mods as has done here, I hope the HN readers are able to weigh how HN mods target certain people in these forums.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
- swframe2 3y agoIt might be easier to use chatGPT to build something that is worth $10M. For example, there is the guy that made a crypto-currency.
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