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If all the bitchy python/ruby purists out there want to build a successor to PHP, here is the roadmap: 1) make it as simple to setup a development environment a

If all the bitchy python/ruby purists out there want to build a successor to PHP, here is the roadmap: 1) make it as simple to setup a development environment as it is to install MAMP (this is somewhat done - but still hella confusing with both Ruby and Python) 2) start a web host that can offer rails/python hosting as simple AND as CHEAP as shared hosting (6$ per month or less) 3) build the Wordpress/Drupal of Rails/Django 4) make it simple for designers and "site builders" to hack the language. This includes former flash addicts. Until then, all this anti-PHP hate just seems... pointless. As you said, we create experiences for users who ultimately don't care what is beneath the hood as long as it works and doesn't blow up. There are a lot of PHP systems out there and there is a lot of money to be made as a developer who focuses on PHP. It may not be the prettiest language, but I know why I focus on it - it makes me money. I use other tech (rails, ObjC), but PHP is my bread and butter - and if you do it right, PHP really isn't that bad. The only time I've seen PHP apps blow up is when they are past due for re-development anyways - a symptom that is not unique to PHP. Anyone who's seen Rails spaghetti knows what I mean.

briandear 15y ago
Rails hosting: git push heroku master. Pretty damned simple. And cheap, for the level of hosting you get for $6 per month, Heroku is free. As far as Rails spaghetti, if you're using TDD, then it's easy to fix things if new code breaks old code.
slurgfest 15y ago
I have no interest whatsoever in building a successor to PHP. Why would I? What you are pitching is not a language, it is a deploy interface provided by a server. But does everyone agree that PHP has the best possible deploy model? Not at all. I am happier with languages other than PHP. I gather you are not. That is fine, you use PHP and I won't. There is absolutely no necessity for other languages to ape PHP in an attempt to capture the attention of people who prefer PHP anyway.

briandear 15y ago

Rails hosting: git push heroku master. Pretty damned simple. And cheap, for the level of hosting you get for $6 per month, Heroku is free. As far as Rails spaghetti, if you're using TDD, then it's easy to fix things if new code breaks old code.

slurgfest 15y ago

I have no interest whatsoever in building a successor to PHP. Why would I? What you are pitching is not a language, it is a deploy interface provided by a server. But does everyone agree that PHP has the best possible deploy model? Not at all. I am happier with languages other than PHP. I gather you are not. That is fine, you use PHP and I won't. There is absolutely no necessity for other languages to ape PHP in an attempt to capture the attention of people who prefer PHP anyway.