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The broken English and slight technobabble feel makes me suspect this is some sort of scam, or at best an overly optimistic marketing page for something that do

by MrJohz 3y ago

The broken English and slight technobabble feel makes me suspect this is some sort of scam, or at best an overly optimistic marketing page for something that doesn't do most of the things on offer.

staplers 3y ago
At best, the audience data it claims to have is from the lowest of the low common denominator who never use security/privacy settings and leave admin/admin turned on on their routers. I can't imagine this targeting is possible for all devices but I've been surprised deep diving into apple dev specs to find out there is always a workaround.. Apple notifications allow device location tracking for example (yes even if location services turned off).
- lxgr 3y ago
  > Apple notifications allow device location tracking for example (yes even if location services turned off). How?
  - staplers 3y ago
    https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/... https://medium.com/@jonathan2457/location-triggered-notifications-on-ios-24033919fb9a https://medium.com/@jonathan2457/location-triggered-notifica... "Because the system actually monitors the regions, you don’t need to request always permissions for your app"
    - lxgr 3y ago
      Can apps access the information whether a location based notification has been delivered even when the user does not click it? In any case, this is quite visible to the user. I’d definitely be suspicious about apps showing me this kind of notification without asking for it.
      - staplers 3y ago
        It might be a non-issue but it was certainly interesting to discover that an app can have "only in-use" permissions yet trigger location based events while closed.
- pacifika 3y ago
  As I read it, this is not data that can be extracted by the app but a black box the phone’s internal systems handle? Not an iOS developer
tempestn 3y ago
Perhaps, but Cox Media Group is a pretty fair sized company, and its parent, Cox Enterprises, is a giant. This isn't some company made up to push this specific service.
- deleted 3y ago
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- LordDragonfang 3y ago
  Cox Enterprises isn't actually the "parent" of CMG, they're a minority stakeholder. The principal owner is a private equity firm called Apollo Global Management.
  - tempestn 3y ago
    Appears you're correct. I assume it was spun off from Cox and then they sold the majority stake. Regardless, it's not some shell created to perpetuate a scam; it owns a ton of tv and radio stations.
93po 3y ago
To me it's pretty clearly the same targeted advertising available anywhere with the extra claim of using "voice data". It doesn't say what the voice data is or where it comes from. They could say that when people do google searches using Siri/OkGoogle/the microphone option on Google - it's information they would use in an anonymized way to target ads, or rather Google does on your behalf, and it's technically a derivative of voice data.

by MrJohz 3y ago

The broken English and slight technobabble feel makes me suspect this is some sort of scam, or at best an overly optimistic marketing page for something that doesn't do most of the things on offer.

staplers 3y ago

At best, the audience data it claims to have is from the lowest of the low common denominator who never use security/privacy settings and leave admin/admin turned on on their routers. I can't imagine this targeting is possible for all devices but I've been surprised deep diving into apple dev specs to find out there is always a workaround.. Apple notifications allow device location tracking for example (yes even if location services turned off).

lxgr 3y ago
> Apple notifications allow device location tracking for example (yes even if location services turned off). How?
- staplers 3y ago
  https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unlocationnotificationtrigger https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/... https://medium.com/@jonathan2457/location-triggered-notifications-on-ios-24033919fb9a https://medium.com/@jonathan2457/location-triggered-notifica... "Because the system actually monitors the regions, you don’t need to request always permissions for your app"
  - lxgr 3y ago
    Can apps access the information whether a location based notification has been delivered even when the user does not click it? In any case, this is quite visible to the user. I’d definitely be suspicious about apps showing me this kind of notification without asking for it.
    - staplers 3y ago
      It might be a non-issue but it was certainly interesting to discover that an app can have "only in-use" permissions yet trigger location based events while closed.
pacifika 3y ago
As I read it, this is not data that can be extracted by the app but a black box the phone’s internal systems handle? Not an iOS developer

tempestn 3y ago

Perhaps, but Cox Media Group is a pretty fair sized company, and its parent, Cox Enterprises, is a giant. This isn't some company made up to push this specific service.

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LordDragonfang 3y ago
Cox Enterprises isn't actually the "parent" of CMG, they're a minority stakeholder. The principal owner is a private equity firm called Apollo Global Management.
- tempestn 3y ago
  Appears you're correct. I assume it was spun off from Cox and then they sold the majority stake. Regardless, it's not some shell created to perpetuate a scam; it owns a ton of tv and radio stations.

93po 3y ago

To me it's pretty clearly the same targeted advertising available anywhere with the extra claim of using "voice data". It doesn't say what the voice data is or where it comes from. They could say that when people do google searches using Siri/OkGoogle/the microphone option on Google - it's information they would use in an anonymized way to target ads, or rather Google does on your behalf, and it's technically a derivative of voice data.