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Because Canonical is starting to smell like enshittification. Nags and ads and withholding patches trying to goad you into buying premium. They aren't content
by calamari4065 3y ago
Because Canonical is starting to smell like enshittification. Nags and ads and withholding patches trying to goad you into buying premium.
They aren't content to just make a good product, it has to be disgustingly profitable. Once a company starts down that path, it's only a matter of time until the end user experience becomes completely intolerable. We've seen it happen so many times we had to coin the word enshittification to describe it.
Apart from very specific complaints like snaps, the hate is not for Ubuntu, the hate is for Canonical the company. People obviously still like and use Ubuntu, it's one of the pillars of the Linux community. Canonical has forgotten that in their plays for more money.
Really, Canonical has been going downhill for a long time. It just hasn't been bad enough to provoke this kind of outcry until the premium ads in the apt package manager.
If Canonical continues what they're doing, they'll see a prodigious loss of free users. That won't hurt them directly, but it will begin a slow and steady decline in enterprise usage. If it's so unpleasant to use Ubuntu at home, why would you use it at work if given the option? Ubuntu will stick around for a good long while and slowly get worse and worse as Canonical becomes more and more desperate.
Canonical as a whole has some very serious problems and I really don't expect them to survive long term. I'm not sure it's possible to fix a company once they're in that state.
Oh well, at least we have ten thousand other Linux distros to choose from.
- pjmlp 3y agoEnterprise is fine paying for SuSE and Red-Hat, so it will business as usual with Ubuntu as well. It turns out many don't like trying out thousand of other Linux distros and how each of them decides to be different from everyone else.
- shepherdjerred 3y agoWhat do you see as a good alternative to Ubuntu today? I've used Debian, but the installs feel so barebones. I love that Ubuntu has many of the common packages I need, yet it doesn't feel bloated. Additionally, most software that supports Linux has instructions for Ubuntu, or Ubuntu just feels better supported.
- chrisallenlane 3y agoIf you want Debian with a nice desktop plus some common packages installed, IMO Linux Mint Debian Edition (IMDE) is a great option: https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoAs other poster, Linux Mint runs Ubuntu with some of the nonsense stripped out. FlatPak instead of Snap. No telemetry or DRM. IMO you get to “stay with Ubuntu” but are also isolated from Canonical’s increasingly strange decisions.
- ssnistfajen 3y agoFedora, Mint, Manjaro, Pop, OpenSUSE, etc. I personally use OpenSUSE and Manjaro as my daily drivers after switching from Ubuntu 3 years ago, and have yet to encounter any package problems that directly stemmed from not using Ubuntu. For everything else, there's always Flatpak.
- type0 3y agoRegular Mint and POP are Ubuntu based so if Canonical goes away tomorrow or more realistically bought by some big hostile company, what could you use? From the big distros run by foundations only Debian is truly community driven and OpenSUSE is independent but backed by a company. Fedora is owned by RH and can start doing the same bullshit as Ubuntu any day if they wish so. Arch and NixOS are community distros but both are kinda niche.
- ssnistfajen 3y ago>so if Canonical goes away tomorrow or more realistically bought by some big hostile company, what could you use? These are hypothetical scenarios and irrelevant to the context of this thread, which is about asking for Ubuntu alternatives now. The alternative doesn't have to be 100% community driven or completely detached from Ubuntu. It just needs to be usable without the nonsense of Ubuntu Pro or Snap.
- thefz 3y ago> Nags and ads and withholding patches trying to goad you into buying premium. It's free for individuals for 5 machines.
- voakbasda 3y agoIf I have to sign up and give them PII, it is absolutely is NOT free.