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I strongly disagree. They are probably looking at it from the perspective of their organization or division. At what point (revenue/profit/capital) does a comp

I strongly disagree. They are probably looking at it from the perspective of their organization or division. At what point (revenue/profit/capital) does a company become required to become a jobs program? I apologize for the inflammatory language in my question, but I genuinely can't distinguish it from your perspective.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
They can hire or fire however they want. That's just business. But if a company posts a 10 billion dollar net income on an earnings call and also wants to pretend that they can no longer afford to pay 200 workers (which, even if they all averaged 200k comes own to 40m dollars, or less than half a percent of said net income), I'm not going to buy it. I don't see a way to spin that, so I'd rather they be straight with me. Product X isn't make enough money to justify costs of labor, we are cutting expenses to it. Goodbye. Amazon tends to have good severance so I'm not actually terrified of the engineers going homeless on the streets, but it's more of the way everything is done. You tend to get zero notice for it, you're cut off immediately from all your chats and emails, and you go through the normal charade with recruiters ready to talk about how sorry they feel just as their own studio laid off the last month. You're basically treated as a criminal that needs to be cut off ASAP despite providing value for months/years and you go back to more false platitudes and the usual annoying interview rituals where you pretend you totally care about the company and need to be humble about salary despite that being a big reason (or maybe only reason) you even looked at them. I'm just tired of all the fakeness.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  You didn't respond to my main point about whether its reasonable for an unprofitable organization within a profitable corporation to make this sort of move and use this sort of messaging.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    which part of "they can fire or hire however they want. That's just business" doesn't respond to your main point? >use this sort of messaging. They are free to message it however they want. Doesn't mean I'll believe it's the real reason they did it. I somehow doubt they will get better free games for consumers (or any) as a result of this layoff.
    - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
      What was the real reason they did this? We disagree, I understand that, but I’m not sure what you’re suggesting to be the real cause.
      - johnnyanmac 3y ago
        If I knew the real reason I wouldn't have left that comment. Could be a huge scandal, could be that division wasn't making the money expected. The most likely and boring reason is that it's just more industry shrinking in response to the economy. Just because Amazon can afford to keep things running doesn't mean they won't penny pinch.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

They can hire or fire however they want. That's just business. But if a company posts a 10 billion dollar net income on an earnings call and also wants to pretend that they can no longer afford to pay 200 workers (which, even if they all averaged 200k comes own to 40m dollars, or less than half a percent of said net income), I'm not going to buy it. I don't see a way to spin that, so I'd rather they be straight with me. Product X isn't make enough money to justify costs of labor, we are cutting expenses to it. Goodbye. Amazon tends to have good severance so I'm not actually terrified of the engineers going homeless on the streets, but it's more of the way everything is done. You tend to get zero notice for it, you're cut off immediately from all your chats and emails, and you go through the normal charade with recruiters ready to talk about how sorry they feel just as their own studio laid off the last month. You're basically treated as a criminal that needs to be cut off ASAP despite providing value for months/years and you go back to more false platitudes and the usual annoying interview rituals where you pretend you totally care about the company and need to be humble about salary despite that being a big reason (or maybe only reason) you even looked at them. I'm just tired of all the fakeness.

DiggyJohnson 3y ago
You didn't respond to my main point about whether its reasonable for an unprofitable organization within a profitable corporation to make this sort of move and use this sort of messaging.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  which part of "they can fire or hire however they want. That's just business" doesn't respond to your main point? >use this sort of messaging. They are free to message it however they want. Doesn't mean I'll believe it's the real reason they did it. I somehow doubt they will get better free games for consumers (or any) as a result of this layoff.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    What was the real reason they did this? We disagree, I understand that, but I’m not sure what you’re suggesting to be the real cause.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      If I knew the real reason I wouldn't have left that comment. Could be a huge scandal, could be that division wasn't making the money expected. The most likely and boring reason is that it's just more industry shrinking in response to the economy. Just because Amazon can afford to keep things running doesn't mean they won't penny pinch.