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>We can have both, you know. TFA is not about "having both." It is clearly about positioning nuclear as an alternative to renewable buildouts. This is in the t
by matthewdgreen 3y ago
>We can have both, you know.
TFA is not about "having both." It is clearly about positioning nuclear as an alternative to renewable buildouts. This is in the title and also the text. And that's fine, because it reads like a nuclear industry promotional piece.
But leave that aside. Both my anecdote and this article agree on one critical fact. It shows up in this line: the age of the brutalist concrete cooling towers and highly centralized state control as the only features of nuclear power may already be over.
In other words, even these authors agree that the traditional (1970s-era) nuclear plant is already obsolete, and won't compete with renewables. The only tech that can possibly compete at this point is some kind of modular factory-built nuclear that can scale exponentially. Anything else is likely to be a very costly footnote, both here and probably in China.
The rest of the article pins its hope on the success of small modular nuclear reactors (SMRs) to be the scalable tech that can somehow compete with renewables. I've seen a number of articles on HN in recent days giving some pretty bad news about the state of SMRs. But at least an accelerated-development-of-SMRs story hangs together consistently, whereas a lot of wishful "legacy nuclear would be a viable contender but for those meddling environmentalists" Internet commentary just makes no sense in the face of the kind of massive scale that renewable buildouts are seeing.
- Projectiboga 3y agoA US government backed SMR just quit their pilot project as they can't compete on cost in the current market. Nuclear is basically obsolete. We need to subsidize it to safely use all the current waste and while extracting energy turn that into safer leftovers.
- p1mrx 3y agoThe problem is that nuclear can't compete on cost with fossil fuels, and we've failed to make those obsolete.
- nickpp 3y agoThe reason nuclear is so expensive and slow to build is overregulation. It also slowed R&D so much that we haven't created and tested the reactor designs that were safer, smaller and easier to run. It's like when inventing the airplane we would've stopped because the high number of crashes and never reached today's safety and convenience.