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> As for social security and such not being constitutional, that strikes me as sovereign citizen, "taxes are voluntary" nonsense. Article 1 Section 8 clearly e

> As for social security and such not being constitutional, that strikes me as sovereign citizen, "taxes are voluntary" nonsense. Article 1 Section 8 clearly enumerates the powers of the federal government. Nowhere is it granted the power to provide welfare of any kind. Nowhere is it granted the power to provide medical goods and services. Nowhere is it enumerated the power to provide educational funding. Nowhere is it enumerated the power to set federal minimum wages. Our system is corrupt to the core.

jjeaff 3y ago
The very first sentence of section 8: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States" If education and welfare programs aren't "general welfare", I don't know what is. Your comment reads like a trump legal filing. Literally citing cases that disprove your point.
- hellojesus 3y ago
  You stopped short. You quoted the first paragraph but not the the supporting clauses. In fact, that preamble then goes into enumerating the specific federal powers. If it was enough to say that taxes, duties, and excises could be levied and collected to pay for "common defense and general welfare", Section 8 would conclude with that sentence. There would be no need to follow that with explicit ennumerations. Furthermore, we have a federalist government wherein we have a federal government with limited power. 10A wouldn't exist if this wasn't the case. Allowing the federal gov to tax for "general welfare" gives it unlimited power, which contradicts the very structure of the government. Proper intro to S1A8: """ The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; ... """

jjeaff 3y ago

The very first sentence of section 8: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States" If education and welfare programs aren't "general welfare", I don't know what is. Your comment reads like a trump legal filing. Literally citing cases that disprove your point.

hellojesus 3y ago
You stopped short. You quoted the first paragraph but not the the supporting clauses. In fact, that preamble then goes into enumerating the specific federal powers. If it was enough to say that taxes, duties, and excises could be levied and collected to pay for "common defense and general welfare", Section 8 would conclude with that sentence. There would be no need to follow that with explicit ennumerations. Furthermore, we have a federalist government wherein we have a federal government with limited power. 10A wouldn't exist if this wasn't the case. Allowing the federal gov to tax for "general welfare" gives it unlimited power, which contradicts the very structure of the government. Proper intro to S1A8: """ The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; ... """