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Typical Russian attitude - colonize other nations and act like they owe you

by 1023bytes 3y ago

anticodon 3y ago
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- benjijay 3y ago
  > Since becoming "independent" they're only degrading with ever-increasing speed. [citation needed]
- repelsteeltje 3y ago
  References? Can you elaborate?
  - mopsi 3y ago
    He is one of those Russian trolls who roams around HN telling that the slaves brought to the Americans should be thankful for the free trip they got. Except since they work on a different historic context, their vile nature gets lost on most readers. Pre-WWII Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were quite well developed small countries in Europe. Not on par with industrial powerhouses like the UK, but not the most undeveloped parts of Europe either. Estonia is a particularly notable example, since it shares lots of traits with Finland, comparing them is almost like a twins study. In 1938, Estonian and Finnish GDP per capita were very close, 3771 and 3589 dollars respectively.[1] Both were invaded by the USSR in 1939/40. Finland lost territory, but successfully fought Russians off and remained independent. Estonia was occupied by the USSR until 1991. By 1995, the GDP per capita of Finland was 26 271 dollars, while Estonian GDP was 3134 dollars. In 2021, the Finnish GDP per capita was 53 489 dollars, while Estonian GDP had risen to 27 943 dollars.[2][3] That's what 50 years of Russian rule does to a country - incredible economic stagnation, and then incredible rebound as soon as Russian tanks rolled out. In early 1990s, the average monthly wage in Estonia was 37 dollars. In 2023, it is 1800 dollars. Russian trolls love to say how they "built the infrastructure", but they fail to mention that the natural pace of development would've been a much faster, like it is now. And speaking of that "infrastructure", to a large degree it consisted of extremely polluting factories that produced uncompetitive garbage and went bankrupt as soon as free trade with rest of the world opened up. A great example of their "infrastructure" has been immortalized in Tarkovsky's sci-fi movie Stalker. The polluted wastelands with foaming rivers and white ebbs falling down like snow in summer weren't special effects. That was toxic waste from an upstream chemical plant that directed its waste unfiltered into a nearby river. Several crew members, including Tarkovsky himself, fell ill and died due to the poisioning received there.[4] Cleanup of such "infrastructure" continues to this day, 30 years later. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts, and Russians building infrastructure. [1] https://i.imgur.com/PolvBbR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PolvBbR.jpg [2] https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/FIN/StartYear/1995/EndYear/2021/Indicator/NY-GDP-PCAP-CD https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/FIN/Sta... [3] https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/EST/StartYear/1995/EndYear/2021/Indicator/NY-GDP-PCAP-CD https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/EST/Sta... [4] https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stalker-killed-andrei-tarkovsky/ https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stalker-killed-andrei-tarkovsky...
- Gravityloss 3y ago
  Just writing in case some reader wonders why the downvotes. Estonia was independent before the second world war and was doing very well. After the second world war until the nineties it was under Soviet occupation. During the occupation, there were mass deportations to Siberia, socialization of property, prevention of travel, prevention of free information and prevention of free enterprise and all those things. Until Estonia became independent again. The economic growth has been rapid since.
  - FeistySkink 3y ago
    Ditto for Latvia and Lithuania.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
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- ashirviskas 3y ago
  Yeah, and Belarus is doing so much better than those "degrading" baltics.
- whatevaa 3y ago
  I'm lithuanian and this is false propaganda, Lithuania was independant before Rusian occupation back before the world wars and in between the World Wars, unless you consider Stalin and Hitler splitting lands as "purchasing".
thriftwy 3y ago
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- tokai 3y ago
  The last couple of years I have been working hard at not directing my animosity towards the Russian state against Russian people. Post like yours makes that much harder. Almost no other people will glorify their past and current crimes like Russians do.
- trasz4 3y ago
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- panick21_ 3y ago
  For the most part the Balic was conquered by the Russian empire, mostly from Sweden and Poland. When the Russian Empire took the Balic states the restored and increased Serfdom to the strongest it has ever been. Russian Empire and the Soviet Union have been horrible for the Baltics literally for 100s of years.
narinxas 3y ago
that's not russian. If anybody I'd credit the Romans with it... but let's not forget back when the Romanovs ruled russia
dang 3y ago
> Typical Russian attitude Nationalistic swipes are not welcome here, regardless of which nations you have a problem with. We ban accounts that post like this, so please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Typical Russian attitude - colonize other nations and act like they owe you

anticodon 3y ago

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benjijay 3y ago
> Since becoming "independent" they're only degrading with ever-increasing speed. [citation needed]
repelsteeltje 3y ago
References? Can you elaborate?
- mopsi 3y ago
  He is one of those Russian trolls who roams around HN telling that the slaves brought to the Americans should be thankful for the free trip they got. Except since they work on a different historic context, their vile nature gets lost on most readers. Pre-WWII Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were quite well developed small countries in Europe. Not on par with industrial powerhouses like the UK, but not the most undeveloped parts of Europe either. Estonia is a particularly notable example, since it shares lots of traits with Finland, comparing them is almost like a twins study. In 1938, Estonian and Finnish GDP per capita were very close, 3771 and 3589 dollars respectively.[1] Both were invaded by the USSR in 1939/40. Finland lost territory, but successfully fought Russians off and remained independent. Estonia was occupied by the USSR until 1991. By 1995, the GDP per capita of Finland was 26 271 dollars, while Estonian GDP was 3134 dollars. In 2021, the Finnish GDP per capita was 53 489 dollars, while Estonian GDP had risen to 27 943 dollars.[2][3] That's what 50 years of Russian rule does to a country - incredible economic stagnation, and then incredible rebound as soon as Russian tanks rolled out. In early 1990s, the average monthly wage in Estonia was 37 dollars. In 2023, it is 1800 dollars. Russian trolls love to say how they "built the infrastructure", but they fail to mention that the natural pace of development would've been a much faster, like it is now. And speaking of that "infrastructure", to a large degree it consisted of extremely polluting factories that produced uncompetitive garbage and went bankrupt as soon as free trade with rest of the world opened up. A great example of their "infrastructure" has been immortalized in Tarkovsky's sci-fi movie Stalker. The polluted wastelands with foaming rivers and white ebbs falling down like snow in summer weren't special effects. That was toxic waste from an upstream chemical plant that directed its waste unfiltered into a nearby river. Several crew members, including Tarkovsky himself, fell ill and died due to the poisioning received there.[4] Cleanup of such "infrastructure" continues to this day, 30 years later. Beware of Greeks bearing gifts, and Russians building infrastructure. [1] https://i.imgur.com/PolvBbR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PolvBbR.jpg [2] https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/FIN/StartYear/1995/EndYear/2021/Indicator/NY-GDP-PCAP-CD https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/FIN/Sta... [3] https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/EST/StartYear/1995/EndYear/2021/Indicator/NY-GDP-PCAP-CD https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/EST/Sta... [4] https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stalker-killed-andrei-tarkovsky/ https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stalker-killed-andrei-tarkovsky...
Gravityloss 3y ago
Just writing in case some reader wonders why the downvotes. Estonia was independent before the second world war and was doing very well. After the second world war until the nineties it was under Soviet occupation. During the occupation, there were mass deportations to Siberia, socialization of property, prevention of travel, prevention of free information and prevention of free enterprise and all those things. Until Estonia became independent again. The economic growth has been rapid since.
- FeistySkink 3y ago
  Ditto for Latvia and Lithuania.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  [flagged]
ashirviskas 3y ago
Yeah, and Belarus is doing so much better than those "degrading" baltics.
whatevaa 3y ago
I'm lithuanian and this is false propaganda, Lithuania was independant before Rusian occupation back before the world wars and in between the World Wars, unless you consider Stalin and Hitler splitting lands as "purchasing".

thriftwy 3y ago

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tokai 3y ago
The last couple of years I have been working hard at not directing my animosity towards the Russian state against Russian people. Post like yours makes that much harder. Almost no other people will glorify their past and current crimes like Russians do.
trasz4 3y ago
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panick21_ 3y ago
For the most part the Balic was conquered by the Russian empire, mostly from Sweden and Poland. When the Russian Empire took the Balic states the restored and increased Serfdom to the strongest it has ever been. Russian Empire and the Soviet Union have been horrible for the Baltics literally for 100s of years.

narinxas 3y ago

that's not russian. If anybody I'd credit the Romans with it... but let's not forget back when the Romanovs ruled russia

dang 3y ago

> Typical Russian attitude Nationalistic swipes are not welcome here, regardless of which nations you have a problem with. We ban accounts that post like this, so please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html