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We don't need you (whatever "you" means) to sign a treaty with "us" in order for "our" law to apply when you deal with "our" citizens. Sometimes there is zero

We don't need you (whatever "you" means) to sign a treaty with "us" in order for "our" law to apply when you deal with "our" citizens. Sometimes there is zero leverage and "you" can't be found/sued/fined. But for large companies, there's no easy way out. That's why Meta is in hot waters ; they can't just say "oh we'll put our HQ back in California and now the EU can't say anything about how we collect data/show ads to EU users". That can't fly. Even if you made up a new country and went there (with no treaty), you'd still be outside the local law of the users you're dealing with, and there are many ways for the user's jurisdiction to apply leverage if you're enough of a big deal.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
> We don't need you (whatever "you" means) to sign a treaty with "us" in order for "our" law to apply when you deal with "our" citizens. Because...?
Turing_Machine 3y ago
> We don't need you (whatever "you" means) to sign a treaty with "us" in order for "our" law to apply when you deal with "our" citizens. "We're" not responsible for abiding by "your" laws, whether "your" citizens are involved or not. Do "you" abide by (one example among many) the US Second Amendment when "our" citizens are visiting "your" country? No, you do not. QED.
- sebastiennight 3y ago
  Well, according to what I could find[1], > Like the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the US laws apply to where consumers reside, not where the company is headquartered. It doesn’t matter if a company doesn’t have an office in California if it has customers, website visitors, etc. that reside there and their personal information is being processed by the company. So, yes, if I was an EU company, I would need to abide by California privacy laws. Now IIRC there's some fine print in California's laws that says this only matters if the company is over a certain size, has a minimum number of CA users, and resells information. But that "filter" is also part of CA law, not EU law. QED :) [1] https://usercentrics.com/knowledge-hub/us-privacy-law-compliance-for-eu-companies/ https://usercentrics.com/knowledge-hub/us-privacy-law-compli...

MichaelZuo 3y ago

> We don't need you (whatever "you" means) to sign a treaty with "us" in order for "our" law to apply when you deal with "our" citizens. Because...?

Turing_Machine 3y ago

> We don't need you (whatever "you" means) to sign a treaty with "us" in order for "our" law to apply when you deal with "our" citizens. "We're" not responsible for abiding by "your" laws, whether "your" citizens are involved or not. Do "you" abide by (one example among many) the US Second Amendment when "our" citizens are visiting "your" country? No, you do not. QED.

sebastiennight 3y ago
Well, according to what I could find[1], > Like the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the US laws apply to where consumers reside, not where the company is headquartered. It doesn’t matter if a company doesn’t have an office in California if it has customers, website visitors, etc. that reside there and their personal information is being processed by the company. So, yes, if I was an EU company, I would need to abide by California privacy laws. Now IIRC there's some fine print in California's laws that says this only matters if the company is over a certain size, has a minimum number of CA users, and resells information. But that "filter" is also part of CA law, not EU law. QED :) [1] https://usercentrics.com/knowledge-hub/us-privacy-law-compliance-for-eu-companies/ https://usercentrics.com/knowledge-hub/us-privacy-law-compli...