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> Nowadays = this + last generation on nVidia, Intel and AMD GPUs? Roughly; Intel since Tiger Lake (2020); not that it makes much difference. > It's still fai

> Nowadays = this + last generation on nVidia, Intel and AMD GPUs? Roughly; Intel since Tiger Lake (2020); not that it makes much difference. > It's still fairly uncommon on ARM, MIPS, etc GPUs being used in low-cost cores for TVs and set top boxes. Mali being the biggest. Depends; Mediateks and Rockchips do support it; finally also Qualcomm (with AV1 being mandatory in Android 14). I agree, it will take some time (years), until people replace their devices and AV1 will be universally available. But it is available in devices sold today, which was the point.

cubefox 3y ago
The point was that Netflix would simply switch to AV1, which may not be realistically possible for years to come.
- vetinari 3y ago
  The point was that, quote: > "AV1 hardware decoding is still pretty rare" It is not. It comes with new devices. The issue is, that it will take some time for replacement to be widespread enough, so that Netflix could switch wholesale. But do they have to switch everything, at once? They could switch by targeting the capable devices: AV1, where possible, AVC elsewhere. They probably have such targeting already, but not they will have to disable the HEVC profiles for Germany (or EU).
  - cubefox 3y ago
    Support can be pretty rare even when new devices support it. But not even all new iPhones (non-pro) support it, and zero old ones.
    - vetinari 3y ago
      Apple is a bad example. See replies here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38250351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38250351
      - mschuster91 3y ago
        The problem with Apple is that they form a significant amount of users, so if you want a truly popular service you have to do your best on Apple devices.
        vetinari 3y ago
        > have to do your best on Apple devices. No, you have to do best within the limits that Apple imposes, whether technical, business, legal, whatever. If other platforms do not have these limits, there's no point in ignoring the additional capabilities and artificially limiting your product. If Apple wants them on their platform too, they are free to lift these limits.
        mschuster91 3y ago
        > If Apple wants them on their platform too, they are free to lift these limits. Users don't care about the distinction, they will blame you for issues in your app, no matter if caused by Apple, app developers, or even phone providers.
        vetinari 3y ago
        It's not like someone else is going to provide them something better; everyone else is subject to the same limitations. For example, I don't see any Apple users blaming anyone for not providing native browser engines by respective browsers on iOS. Or not being able to purchase Kindle books in-app. Or similar, Apple-induced limitations.
deaddodo 3y ago
> But it is available in devices sold today, which was the point. I never said it wasn't. I pointed out the main difficulty in going 100% AV1. Not that no one would be able to watch AV1 videos: > It's still fairly uncommon on ARM, MIPS, etc GPUs being used in low-cost cores for TVs and set top boxes. Mali being the biggest.

cubefox 3y ago

The point was that Netflix would simply switch to AV1, which may not be realistically possible for years to come.

vetinari 3y ago
The point was that, quote: > "AV1 hardware decoding is still pretty rare" It is not. It comes with new devices. The issue is, that it will take some time for replacement to be widespread enough, so that Netflix could switch wholesale. But do they have to switch everything, at once? They could switch by targeting the capable devices: AV1, where possible, AVC elsewhere. They probably have such targeting already, but not they will have to disable the HEVC profiles for Germany (or EU).
- cubefox 3y ago
  Support can be pretty rare even when new devices support it. But not even all new iPhones (non-pro) support it, and zero old ones.
  - vetinari 3y ago
    Apple is a bad example. See replies here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38250351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38250351
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      The problem with Apple is that they form a significant amount of users, so if you want a truly popular service you have to do your best on Apple devices.
      - vetinari 3y ago
        > have to do your best on Apple devices. No, you have to do best within the limits that Apple imposes, whether technical, business, legal, whatever. If other platforms do not have these limits, there's no point in ignoring the additional capabilities and artificially limiting your product. If Apple wants them on their platform too, they are free to lift these limits.
        mschuster91 3y ago
        > If Apple wants them on their platform too, they are free to lift these limits. Users don't care about the distinction, they will blame you for issues in your app, no matter if caused by Apple, app developers, or even phone providers.
        vetinari 3y ago
        It's not like someone else is going to provide them something better; everyone else is subject to the same limitations. For example, I don't see any Apple users blaming anyone for not providing native browser engines by respective browsers on iOS. Or not being able to purchase Kindle books in-app. Or similar, Apple-induced limitations.

deaddodo 3y ago

> But it is available in devices sold today, which was the point. I never said it wasn't. I pointed out the main difficulty in going 100% AV1. Not that no one would be able to watch AV1 videos: > It's still fairly uncommon on ARM, MIPS, etc GPUs being used in low-cost cores for TVs and set top boxes. Mali being the biggest.