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> Patents don’t even appear to be serving their intended purpose, I mean Netflix subscribers just got a worse service now. Think longer term. Without patents,

> Patents don’t even appear to be serving their intended purpose, I mean Netflix subscribers just got a worse service now. Think longer term. Without patents, maybe there would be no H.265 to use in the first place. So consumers win after all.

neffy 3y ago
Or perhaps without patents there wouldn't be false monopolisation preventing better standards being contributed by people who can't afford expensive lawyers.
thomastjeffery 3y ago
AV1 was literally created to be patent-free. So yes, please continue to threaten me with a good time.
- throw0101c 3y ago
  > AV1 was literally created to be patent-free. AV1 was created to be license-fee-free. There are lots of patents in AV1, it's just that their holders don't ask for money: > Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Licensor, on behalf of itself and successors in interest and assigns, grants Licensee a non-sublicensable, perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as expressly stated in this License) patent license to its Necessary Claims to make, use, sell, offer for sale, import or distribute any Implementation. * https://aomedia.org/license/patent-license/ https://aomedia.org/license/patent-license/
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    Right, that's the method they used to liberate AV1 from patent monopolies.
  - tensor 3y ago
    Because if they didn't patent it then some other asshole could, and deny them rights to their own invention, because the patent system is stupid.
mort96 3y ago
There already is no H.265 in practice. It exists, brilliant people spent loads of time on it, but it's useless. What's the fucking point? AV1 is a clear example that non-patent incentives are clearly enough to make markets invent superior media codecs. And at this point, if AV1 succeeds, it will have succeeded in spite of the extremely hostile environment created by patents. If it fails, it will fail because of patents.
- fomine3 3y ago
  HEVC is widely used at this time except on the web. 4K Video recording on a phone or a camera is HEVC of course.
  - mort96 3y ago
    Right, but you can't share that HEVC file. You need to convert it to something supported first (or have it be automatically converted by whatever service you're using).

neffy 3y ago

Or perhaps without patents there wouldn't be false monopolisation preventing better standards being contributed by people who can't afford expensive lawyers.

thomastjeffery 3y ago

AV1 was literally created to be patent-free. So yes, please continue to threaten me with a good time.

throw0101c 3y ago
> AV1 was literally created to be patent-free. AV1 was created to be license-fee-free. There are lots of patents in AV1, it's just that their holders don't ask for money: > Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Licensor, on behalf of itself and successors in interest and assigns, grants Licensee a non-sublicensable, perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as expressly stated in this License) patent license to its Necessary Claims to make, use, sell, offer for sale, import or distribute any Implementation. * https://aomedia.org/license/patent-license/ https://aomedia.org/license/patent-license/
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Right, that's the method they used to liberate AV1 from patent monopolies.
- tensor 3y ago
  Because if they didn't patent it then some other asshole could, and deny them rights to their own invention, because the patent system is stupid.

mort96 3y ago

There already is no H.265 in practice. It exists, brilliant people spent loads of time on it, but it's useless. What's the fucking point? AV1 is a clear example that non-patent incentives are clearly enough to make markets invent superior media codecs. And at this point, if AV1 succeeds, it will have succeeded in spite of the extremely hostile environment created by patents. If it fails, it will fail because of patents.

fomine3 3y ago
HEVC is widely used at this time except on the web. 4K Video recording on a phone or a camera is HEVC of course.
- mort96 3y ago
  Right, but you can't share that HEVC file. You need to convert it to something supported first (or have it be automatically converted by whatever service you're using).