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Laravel would be a better example for PHP, especially as it borrowed so many ideas from Rails.

pocketsand 3y ago
Correct.
AlchemistCamp 3y ago
I agree. The only frameworks I’ve found about as productive as Rails are Laravel and Phoenix. Django and Sails.js both seemed like they were a step down in terms of general productivity, though each had a unique advantage of their own (admin out of the box, websockets & realtime features). I haven’t had a chance to really give RedwoodJS a trial run, but it's the JS-based fullstack framework I'm most curious about.
- kugelblitz 3y ago
  After a few years, and as my own application has grown, I feel I'm more productive in Symfony than Laravel, because there's less magic, I know where stuff is, and it's more "loosely" coupled components whilst Laravel is "All in or get out". I've been updating my app since Symfony 3.3-ish to now 6.3 and it's been fun! I've had to exchange the auth, the admin section, added new features, killed off features, but I feel with time, that my code has gotten more stable. Maybe my first update experience with Laravel was a bit of a mess (v4.2 to v5.0 "The recommended method of upgrading is to create a new Laravel 5.0 install and then to copy your 4.2 site's unique application files into the new application. This would include controllers, routes, Eloquent models, Artisan commands, assets, and other code specific to your application."), and I couldn't easily "see" the models' properties and the Facades, that's why I have shy-ed away from it a bit. I have worked with several Laravel applications since then and have gone through the v6 through v10 upgrade cycle and can say it's gotten easier (though I wish they could settle on a release schedule), but my preference is still Symfony. Plus when I checked out Django, I felt a bit more "at home" (e.g. see Twig templating language and how they used Django templating language as inspiration). I've worked with Vue.js and AngularJS 1 and Angular 2+, but I'm glad htmx is coming in strong, so I can focus on logic, speed and stability instead of glueing the frontend and backend API together and debugging in the different browsers.
- kaba0 3y ago
  It will probably not be a well-liked comment, but Spring is absolutely there in terms of productivity, and the cool thing about it is that it never leaves your side when it comes to more and more complex requirements. It really has everything and especially Spring Data with JPA is unbeatable.
- dominuskelvin 3y ago
  I have been using Sails since 2018 and it’s what feels close to Laravel for me and the way I keep coming to for building on the web.

Correct.

I agree. The only frameworks I’ve found about as productive as Rails are Laravel and Phoenix. Django and Sails.js both seemed like they were a step down in terms of general productivity, though each had a unique advantage of their own (admin out of the box, websockets & realtime features). I haven’t had a chance to really give RedwoodJS a trial run, but it's the JS-based fullstack framework I'm most curious about.

kugelblitz 3y ago
After a few years, and as my own application has grown, I feel I'm more productive in Symfony than Laravel, because there's less magic, I know where stuff is, and it's more "loosely" coupled components whilst Laravel is "All in or get out". I've been updating my app since Symfony 3.3-ish to now 6.3 and it's been fun! I've had to exchange the auth, the admin section, added new features, killed off features, but I feel with time, that my code has gotten more stable. Maybe my first update experience with Laravel was a bit of a mess (v4.2 to v5.0 "The recommended method of upgrading is to create a new Laravel 5.0 install and then to copy your 4.2 site's unique application files into the new application. This would include controllers, routes, Eloquent models, Artisan commands, assets, and other code specific to your application."), and I couldn't easily "see" the models' properties and the Facades, that's why I have shy-ed away from it a bit. I have worked with several Laravel applications since then and have gone through the v6 through v10 upgrade cycle and can say it's gotten easier (though I wish they could settle on a release schedule), but my preference is still Symfony. Plus when I checked out Django, I felt a bit more "at home" (e.g. see Twig templating language and how they used Django templating language as inspiration). I've worked with Vue.js and AngularJS 1 and Angular 2+, but I'm glad htmx is coming in strong, so I can focus on logic, speed and stability instead of glueing the frontend and backend API together and debugging in the different browsers.
kaba0 3y ago
It will probably not be a well-liked comment, but Spring is absolutely there in terms of productivity, and the cool thing about it is that it never leaves your side when it comes to more and more complex requirements. It really has everything and especially Spring Data with JPA is unbeatable.
dominuskelvin 3y ago
I have been using Sails since 2018 and it’s what feels close to Laravel for me and the way I keep coming to for building on the web.