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> I had a lot of hope for things like Khan Academy, but the issue is video is not text and it's hard to iterate and improve on When the entire video is generat

by tux1968 3y ago

> I had a lot of hope for things like Khan Academy, but the issue is video is not text and it's hard to iterate and improve on When the entire video is generated by an AI, that dynamic changes. It's no issue to improve "the script", and have it seamlessly regenerated. We can't be that far away from this capability, and it could have a profound impact on available learning resources.

ajkjk 3y ago
The problem isn't writing a better text, it's having departments willing to teach it, or to try alternate approaches at all.
- tux1968 3y ago
  The OP referenced the Khan Academy as an attempt to displace the ossified educational institutions we have. But it has its own limitations and challenges, some of which will soon be rendered moot by the coming wave of AI technologies, perhaps giving it the final push it needs to truly take hold. Can imagine a world where it doesn't matter where or how you get your education, all that matters is that you can have your knowledge verified by an accredited _testing_ institution. This would open education up to a world of creative competition for students, and allow individuals to find a learning paradigm that best works for themselves.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    This might work well for knowledge/IC-based attainment. There are still other groups, who are possibly the majority when combined: Some people are there for "the experience", no matter how much it costs, nor how little benefit it results in. They will still be paying $80k for an experience that qualifies them for nothing, even though they had that qualification already before they started. Some other people are there for the network, and/or will learn leadership skills in that environment. They can't build/learn those things in an online environment.
    - tux1968 3y ago
      Agreed. One size does not fit all. It's just the hope that options like Khan Academy are made truly viable for those who are well served by such options.
- siftrics 3y ago
  You have to have a pretty helpless attitude to blame someone else (teachers) on your inability to learn from a good textbook. How are you ever going to learn anything truly novel in the world if you always delegate teaching to a teacher?
  - SaintRomuald 3y ago
    I shouldn't need to read a 500page textbook to understand a class that a teacher has been 'teaching' for 20 years. He's there to give me an understanding of the subject. I have at least 5 classes each semester which are very technical and difficult, it's impossible for me to read a textbook on each while also reading a 20-30 page lab instruction each night, all written in a technical language which I barely understand. I can try but so many times constant consumption of this literature lead to burnout
    - throwaway98797 3y ago
      no one is there to give you anything they are there to give you a chance maybe it is impossible for you to do this, but it’s clearly not impossible for others that challenge is valuable information maybe a different area is a better pursuit for you or maybe a better way to view learning good luck
    - HelloNurse 3y ago
      "Technical and difficult": there are both important concepts and broad strokes that your teacher should be good at explaining, and important details that should be explored in a textbook because they need good pictures, data, editing etc. more than good explanations. Taking a longer time than normal to learn a topic and prepare university exams might be a good alternative to burnout; or maybe your lifestyle and/or intellect are incompatible with studying.
    - angra_mainyu 3y ago
      The entitlement in your comment is staggering... Why such a desire to be spoonfed, whining about having to put in the work?
gumby 3y ago
Then you could simply read the script — no need for the video at all.
- tux1968 3y ago
  For those who prefer to read the script, of course. For those who benefit from a much more multimedia presentation, the generated video and associated generated items, will be preferable.
TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
The video won't be generated by AI, because there will no video. The mid-game is personalised, conversational, interactive tutoring. The end-game will be deciding how much humans need to know about any of this, because AI will be far better at 99% of it. If this seems unlikely, consider that Cauchy, Gauss, Laplace, and so on were all super-elite 0.001%-ers in terms of ability. No one knows whether AI will eventually have the creative ability to work at their level of insight. Personalised training could select for prodigies, and - whatever we decide to do with them - we'd have more super-talents than we do now. Currently a lot of talent is wasted because of political and economic inefficiencies.
- tux1968 3y ago
  > there will no video... There will likely be video. Visual presentations can be an important part of learning. Perhaps it will be generated JIT, but likely AOT compilation of video will represent a useful savings in processing power. Students can always "put their hand up" to interrupt a presentation for a little one-on-one time with professor AI.

ajkjk 3y ago

The problem isn't writing a better text, it's having departments willing to teach it, or to try alternate approaches at all.

tux1968 3y ago
The OP referenced the Khan Academy as an attempt to displace the ossified educational institutions we have. But it has its own limitations and challenges, some of which will soon be rendered moot by the coming wave of AI technologies, perhaps giving it the final push it needs to truly take hold. Can imagine a world where it doesn't matter where or how you get your education, all that matters is that you can have your knowledge verified by an accredited _testing_ institution. This would open education up to a world of creative competition for students, and allow individuals to find a learning paradigm that best works for themselves.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  This might work well for knowledge/IC-based attainment. There are still other groups, who are possibly the majority when combined: Some people are there for "the experience", no matter how much it costs, nor how little benefit it results in. They will still be paying $80k for an experience that qualifies them for nothing, even though they had that qualification already before they started. Some other people are there for the network, and/or will learn leadership skills in that environment. They can't build/learn those things in an online environment.
  - tux1968 3y ago
    Agreed. One size does not fit all. It's just the hope that options like Khan Academy are made truly viable for those who are well served by such options.
siftrics 3y ago
You have to have a pretty helpless attitude to blame someone else (teachers) on your inability to learn from a good textbook. How are you ever going to learn anything truly novel in the world if you always delegate teaching to a teacher?
- SaintRomuald 3y ago
  I shouldn't need to read a 500page textbook to understand a class that a teacher has been 'teaching' for 20 years. He's there to give me an understanding of the subject. I have at least 5 classes each semester which are very technical and difficult, it's impossible for me to read a textbook on each while also reading a 20-30 page lab instruction each night, all written in a technical language which I barely understand. I can try but so many times constant consumption of this literature lead to burnout
  - throwaway98797 3y ago
    no one is there to give you anything they are there to give you a chance maybe it is impossible for you to do this, but it’s clearly not impossible for others that challenge is valuable information maybe a different area is a better pursuit for you or maybe a better way to view learning good luck
  - HelloNurse 3y ago
    "Technical and difficult": there are both important concepts and broad strokes that your teacher should be good at explaining, and important details that should be explored in a textbook because they need good pictures, data, editing etc. more than good explanations. Taking a longer time than normal to learn a topic and prepare university exams might be a good alternative to burnout; or maybe your lifestyle and/or intellect are incompatible with studying.
  - angra_mainyu 3y ago
    The entitlement in your comment is staggering... Why such a desire to be spoonfed, whining about having to put in the work?

gumby 3y ago

Then you could simply read the script — no need for the video at all.

tux1968 3y ago
For those who prefer to read the script, of course. For those who benefit from a much more multimedia presentation, the generated video and associated generated items, will be preferable.

TheOtherHobbes 3y ago

The video won't be generated by AI, because there will no video. The mid-game is personalised, conversational, interactive tutoring. The end-game will be deciding how much humans need to know about any of this, because AI will be far better at 99% of it. If this seems unlikely, consider that Cauchy, Gauss, Laplace, and so on were all super-elite 0.001%-ers in terms of ability. No one knows whether AI will eventually have the creative ability to work at their level of insight. Personalised training could select for prodigies, and - whatever we decide to do with them - we'd have more super-talents than we do now. Currently a lot of talent is wasted because of political and economic inefficiencies.

tux1968 3y ago
> there will no video... There will likely be video. Visual presentations can be an important part of learning. Perhaps it will be generated JIT, but likely AOT compilation of video will represent a useful savings in processing power. Students can always "put their hand up" to interrupt a presentation for a little one-on-one time with professor AI.