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No ANSI keyboard might be a deal breaker for my muscle memory and external keyboards (mechanical and MX keys that I had to import from the US because Logitech o

No ANSI keyboard might be a deal breaker for my muscle memory and external keyboards (mechanical and MX keys that I had to import from the US because Logitech only sells ISO in the EU)

sonicanatidae 3y ago
There's nothing wrong with having a preference. In fact, keyboards and mice are one of the most common things where people have set preferences. The thread will argue it, and they are welcome to, but you want what you want. :)
prmoustache 3y ago
Why do you need a "specific keyboard" if your muscle memory is there? Just map it to whatever works for you. I am typing all the time in us alt international on various physical keyboards that have printed buttons in spanish qwerty, swiss french qwertz and plain ansi us keyboards. It is only a problem for those that have very little experience/use of the keyboard.
- littlecranky67 3y ago
  Exactly. They even offer a "complete black keyboard" with no letterprints at all - definitely aimed at power users.
- Cu3PO42 3y ago
  Because muscle memory breaks if the physical layout of the keys is different. The parent is used to ANSI and might hit enter where there's a different key on ISO. I am used to ISO and my layout uses that key as a modifier and is barely usable on ANSI, simply because moving my pinky to the key above enter is uncomfortable for me.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    We are much more adaptive than that. Among all my computers keyboards at home I have 4 different shape of the enter key and among the 2 that have a similar ANSI shape they don't have nearly the same size. You'll always have your favorite physical layout but muscle memory can also adapt. The same way I don't ride my mountain bikes the same way I ride my road bikes I am naturally and unconsciously adapting to the different keyboards based on how they feel to my hands.
    - Philpax 3y ago
      I agree. I use an Apple ANSI Magic Keyboard, MacBook Pro with Swedish layout, and a Keyboardio Atreus on a regular basis, and I can switch between them without trouble. There’s definitely a bit of an adjustment period when I (re)introduce a keyboard into the rotation, but I can get back to proficiency within a day or two, and then I don’t notice it at all.
    - alexeiz 3y ago
      > We are much more adaptive than that. Sure if I get this laptop for free I may adapt. But for $1500, thank you!
- bjakubski 3y ago
  It is not possible to "just map": Enter key has completely different shape and size and pushes backslash/pipe key to different row. I'm used to ANSI with single row Enter and I don't seem to be able to switch to ISO (in the past I was forced to order and replace keyboard in my laptop because of that)
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    See my other reply above, we are much more adaptive than that.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      Not all of us, "we" are not. If it works for you great, but "we" agree to disagree here.
      - justsomehnguy 3y ago
        If "you" are so different species, I'm looking with horror to the day when you need to replace your car. Come on, button shape and placement (which is not that different, there is no round Caps Lock on Backspace) completely breaking the ability to work on the computer is the most retarded First World Problem.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >I'm looking with horror to the day when you need to replace your car Which car of yours did ever swap the positions and shapes of the 3 pedals or the steering wheel? Every (manual) car I ever drove had left pedal always clutch, middle one brake, and right one was the loud pedal and steering wheel was always in front of me and somewhat round shaped. So what's there to adapt to when changing cars? At least use some good analogies if you want to play this game. >completely breaking the ability to work on the computer is the most retarded First World Problem Where did I say it's completely breaking the ability to work on the computer? It's not, but it's annoying enough to affect my productivity, kind of like a rock in my shoe, and enough for me to prefer to stick to my ISO layout wherever I can. But you do you, and let me do me. Peace out.
- dajonker 3y ago
  The difference between ISO and ANSI is the physical layout, i.e. the shape of the Enter key and the left shift key.
lta 3y ago
They announced that an ANSI keyboard option was planned, iirc the reddit post

No ANSI keyboard might be a deal breaker for my muscle memory and external keyboards (mechanical and MX keys that I had to import from the US because Logitech only sells ISO in the EU)

sonicanatidae 3y ago

There's nothing wrong with having a preference. In fact, keyboards and mice are one of the most common things where people have set preferences. The thread will argue it, and they are welcome to, but you want what you want. :)

prmoustache 3y ago

Why do you need a "specific keyboard" if your muscle memory is there? Just map it to whatever works for you. I am typing all the time in us alt international on various physical keyboards that have printed buttons in spanish qwerty, swiss french qwertz and plain ansi us keyboards. It is only a problem for those that have very little experience/use of the keyboard.

littlecranky67 3y ago
Exactly. They even offer a "complete black keyboard" with no letterprints at all - definitely aimed at power users.
Cu3PO42 3y ago
Because muscle memory breaks if the physical layout of the keys is different. The parent is used to ANSI and might hit enter where there's a different key on ISO. I am used to ISO and my layout uses that key as a modifier and is barely usable on ANSI, simply because moving my pinky to the key above enter is uncomfortable for me.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  We are much more adaptive than that. Among all my computers keyboards at home I have 4 different shape of the enter key and among the 2 that have a similar ANSI shape they don't have nearly the same size. You'll always have your favorite physical layout but muscle memory can also adapt. The same way I don't ride my mountain bikes the same way I ride my road bikes I am naturally and unconsciously adapting to the different keyboards based on how they feel to my hands.
  - Philpax 3y ago
    I agree. I use an Apple ANSI Magic Keyboard, MacBook Pro with Swedish layout, and a Keyboardio Atreus on a regular basis, and I can switch between them without trouble. There’s definitely a bit of an adjustment period when I (re)introduce a keyboard into the rotation, but I can get back to proficiency within a day or two, and then I don’t notice it at all.
  - alexeiz 3y ago
    > We are much more adaptive than that. Sure if I get this laptop for free I may adapt. But for $1500, thank you!
bjakubski 3y ago
It is not possible to "just map": Enter key has completely different shape and size and pushes backslash/pipe key to different row. I'm used to ANSI with single row Enter and I don't seem to be able to switch to ISO (in the past I was forced to order and replace keyboard in my laptop because of that)
- prmoustache 3y ago
  See my other reply above, we are much more adaptive than that.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Not all of us, "we" are not. If it works for you great, but "we" agree to disagree here.
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
      If "you" are so different species, I'm looking with horror to the day when you need to replace your car. Come on, button shape and placement (which is not that different, there is no round Caps Lock on Backspace) completely breaking the ability to work on the computer is the most retarded First World Problem.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >I'm looking with horror to the day when you need to replace your car Which car of yours did ever swap the positions and shapes of the 3 pedals or the steering wheel? Every (manual) car I ever drove had left pedal always clutch, middle one brake, and right one was the loud pedal and steering wheel was always in front of me and somewhat round shaped. So what's there to adapt to when changing cars? At least use some good analogies if you want to play this game. >completely breaking the ability to work on the computer is the most retarded First World Problem Where did I say it's completely breaking the ability to work on the computer? It's not, but it's annoying enough to affect my productivity, kind of like a rock in my shoe, and enough for me to prefer to stick to my ISO layout wherever I can. But you do you, and let me do me. Peace out.
dajonker 3y ago
The difference between ISO and ANSI is the physical layout, i.e. the shape of the Enter key and the left shift key.

lta 3y ago

They announced that an ANSI keyboard option was planned, iirc the reddit post