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From what I hear, moissanite (and man-made diamonds) are pretty much indistinguishable from natural diamonds. How would someone's friends figure out that it's n

From what I hear, moissanite (and man-made diamonds) are pretty much indistinguishable from natural diamonds. How would someone's friends figure out that it's not a natural diamond? I would think the only way the wife would know is if she asked about the diamond's papers, if she was going to get an insurance policy for it or something.

gowld 3y ago
Lying to your spouse is wrong even if you can't think of a way you would get caught.
- gnicholas 3y ago
  I wasn't advocating for lying, just pointing out that one would not easily be embarrassed in front of friends with the substitutes available today.
Nick87633 3y ago
Moissanite has a different refractive index and dispersion. They do look different.
petre 3y ago
Synthetic diamonds are insitinguishable to the naked eye from natural diamonds (hint: they contain less impurities), but the moissante refracts the light in a different, more colourful, way that I personally don't like. Lab grown diamonds are the way to go if you or your partner don't like moissante, DeBeers or forced child labour. Specialized jewelers can tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_diamond_industry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_diamond_...
ridgeguy 3y ago
There are cheap handheld thermal conductivity testers that will immediately distinguish diamond from moissanite and other stimulants.
- dkersten 3y ago
  But who goes around asking their friends to let them test their diamonds with their thermal tester?
  - Doxin 3y ago
    Insane people, but let's not pretend those don't exist.
    - dkersten 3y ago
      You can also tell these particular people, if they’re insane and toxic enough to try such things, to fuck off.
- RichardCA 3y ago
  I'm no expert, but there's a lot of misinformation around this point. Apparently there is no 100% reliable test apart from spectrometry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE51TMRJn8U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE51TMRJn8U
lelanthran 3y ago
> How would someone's friends figure out that it's not a natural diamond? I would think the only way the wife would know is if she asked about the diamond's papers, if she was going to get an insurance policy for it or something. It actually doesn't matter how she finds out that you lied to her about the biggest life change she will ever experience for the rest of her life. What matters is that lying to a person you want to marry is a sure-fire way to end the marriage at some definite future point. Arguing that it's okay because you will never be found out isn't relevant.
- gnicholas 3y ago
  > Arguing that it's okay because you will never be found out isn't relevant. I didn't argue this at all, and in a reply to another comment below, 3 hours before your comment, I made it clear that all I was saying was that it's a bit farfetched to say someone is going to be embarrassed in front of her friends because of the ring.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    >> Arguing that it's okay because you will never be found out isn't relevant. > I didn't argue this at all, I apologise. In the bit that I quoted, specifically this sentence: >>>> I would think the only way the wife would know is [...] it appeared to me that you were arguing that the wife would never know unless [...] happened. To me, that sentence implies deceiving the wife.

gowld 3y ago

Lying to your spouse is wrong even if you can't think of a way you would get caught.

gnicholas 3y ago
I wasn't advocating for lying, just pointing out that one would not easily be embarrassed in front of friends with the substitutes available today.

Nick87633 3y ago

Moissanite has a different refractive index and dispersion. They do look different.

petre 3y ago

Synthetic diamonds are insitinguishable to the naked eye from natural diamonds (hint: they contain less impurities), but the moissante refracts the light in a different, more colourful, way that I personally don't like. Lab grown diamonds are the way to go if you or your partner don't like moissante, DeBeers or forced child labour. Specialized jewelers can tell if a diamond is lab grown or natural. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_diamond_industry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labour_in_the_diamond_...

ridgeguy 3y ago

There are cheap handheld thermal conductivity testers that will immediately distinguish diamond from moissanite and other stimulants.

dkersten 3y ago
But who goes around asking their friends to let them test their diamonds with their thermal tester?
- Doxin 3y ago
  Insane people, but let's not pretend those don't exist.
  - dkersten 3y ago
    You can also tell these particular people, if they’re insane and toxic enough to try such things, to fuck off.
RichardCA 3y ago
I'm no expert, but there's a lot of misinformation around this point. Apparently there is no 100% reliable test apart from spectrometry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE51TMRJn8U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE51TMRJn8U

lelanthran 3y ago

> How would someone's friends figure out that it's not a natural diamond? I would think the only way the wife would know is if she asked about the diamond's papers, if she was going to get an insurance policy for it or something. It actually doesn't matter how she finds out that you lied to her about the biggest life change she will ever experience for the rest of her life. What matters is that lying to a person you want to marry is a sure-fire way to end the marriage at some definite future point. Arguing that it's okay because you will never be found out isn't relevant.

gnicholas 3y ago
> Arguing that it's okay because you will never be found out isn't relevant. I didn't argue this at all, and in a reply to another comment below, 3 hours before your comment, I made it clear that all I was saying was that it's a bit farfetched to say someone is going to be embarrassed in front of her friends because of the ring.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  >> Arguing that it's okay because you will never be found out isn't relevant. > I didn't argue this at all, I apologise. In the bit that I quoted, specifically this sentence: >>>> I would think the only way the wife would know is [...] it appeared to me that you were arguing that the wife would never know unless [...] happened. To me, that sentence implies deceiving the wife.