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Eh, I mean it's hard to say if there's any correlation between bad movies and progressive movies. Some of the best movies recently are progressive (everything e

Eh, I mean it's hard to say if there's any correlation between bad movies and progressive movies. Some of the best movies recently are progressive (everything everywhere all at once, barbie). Some recent shows from Disney are terrific too (Andor). Some terrible shows aren't progressive at all. There are definitely cases that people morally blame audiences as a false cover for a bad movie, but there are also people who can't enjoy great movies if they can find any progressive meaning in them and make a career about ranting about it.

serf 3y ago
>Eh, I mean it's hard to say if there's any correlation between bad movies and progressive movies. >but there are also people who can't enjoy great movies if they can find any progressive meaning in them and make a career about ranting about it. the problem is that being 'progressive', whatever that means today, shouldn't come before making a good movie when the goal is.. to make a movie. No one would have cared about any of Kubrick's social messages if they hadn't been wrapped in spectacular cinema. the 'life and times' are inexorably twisted into the cinema, but some people want to just sit back and watch robots shooting lasers at each other without being reminded constantly that the world is an unjust and uncivilized place outside of the silver-screen. I think that there is a general fatigue among spectators in the cinemasphere for the burden -- which isn't to say that 'crusading in popular media' isn't an important concept, but rather to say that a fatigued audience will be less likely to lend an ear.
- zug_zug 3y ago
  I just don't see any evidence for the idea that studios are intentionally placing message before financial success. I see bad movies and progressive movies as two unrelated categories that sometimes overlap, but just as often don't.
  - dijit 3y ago
    My point is not that the message comes before the story. My point is that there really isn't a “message” at all. Its that they make something as generic and “safe” as possible, then put women, minorities or homosexual representation in the movie very late (after writing maybe) and it becomes forced. Then when the movie bombs for being uncreative and forced they claim that it’s because of racists or misogynists. Because a few people genuinely are racists and misogynists it masks all the criticism and they can blanket deny that theres any issue.

serf 3y ago

>Eh, I mean it's hard to say if there's any correlation between bad movies and progressive movies. >but there are also people who can't enjoy great movies if they can find any progressive meaning in them and make a career about ranting about it. the problem is that being 'progressive', whatever that means today, shouldn't come before making a good movie when the goal is.. to make a movie. No one would have cared about any of Kubrick's social messages if they hadn't been wrapped in spectacular cinema. the 'life and times' are inexorably twisted into the cinema, but some people want to just sit back and watch robots shooting lasers at each other without being reminded constantly that the world is an unjust and uncivilized place outside of the silver-screen. I think that there is a general fatigue among spectators in the cinemasphere for the burden -- which isn't to say that 'crusading in popular media' isn't an important concept, but rather to say that a fatigued audience will be less likely to lend an ear.

zug_zug 3y ago
I just don't see any evidence for the idea that studios are intentionally placing message before financial success. I see bad movies and progressive movies as two unrelated categories that sometimes overlap, but just as often don't.
- dijit 3y ago
  My point is not that the message comes before the story. My point is that there really isn't a “message” at all. Its that they make something as generic and “safe” as possible, then put women, minorities or homosexual representation in the movie very late (after writing maybe) and it becomes forced. Then when the movie bombs for being uncreative and forced they claim that it’s because of racists or misogynists. Because a few people genuinely are racists and misogynists it masks all the criticism and they can blanket deny that theres any issue.