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Tuxedo Pulse Gen 3
- routerl 3y ago€1100 base price. Not too bad given the specs.
- pixelpoet 3y agoThis looks like a great deal and makes me regret my recent laptop purchase :/ Bit of a bummer because I rarely use and upgrade them. At least now I know where to look for the next one, especially in Germany where it's annoyingly difficult to get a US QWERTY kb.
- kstrauser 3y ago`var USB-C_charging = true;` in the screenshot isn't valid JavaScript.
- jeffparsons 3y agoThe `else` badly wants to be in an expression-oriented language, too. JavaScript would be a strange choice for "fake code for marketing website" even if it was correct code...
- all2 3y agoYou could start the "can I sell this with brainfuck?" challenge. Or k. K would be an interesting thing to see on a sales page. Oh, wait, even better, every time the page loads in the code graphic swaps from one arcane language to another.
- bUtr3p3z 3y ago[dead]
- cvccvroomvroom 3y agoNo ECC RAM: don't care. It also doesn't say not soldered on RAM and SSD which means it probably is.
- akovaski 3y ago> It also doesn't say not soldered on RAM and SSD which means it probably is. > Just like the CPU, the LPDDR RAM is also soldered onto the motherboard [...] > Another advantage of LPDDR RAM is its space-saving design, which creates room in the ultra compact chassis not only for the performant and quiet cooling system but also for 2x upgradeable M.2 SSDs [...]
- beAbU 3y agoWhat's it with HN's obsession with ECC RAM? Also, doesn't DDR5 have built-in ECC? Also, the website talks about M.2 for the SSD form factor. M.2 describes a physical connector standard. I would imagine that's enough to imply that it's not soldered SSDs.
- nik736 3y agoECC RAM has its advantages but I agree it's not a must have for workstations. DDR5 has on-die ECC, which is basically controlled by the RAM itself and not everything around it like with regular ECC.
- ArtemZ 3y agoAfter I experienced ARM chips in macbooks x86 laptops are no more for me.
- ekianjo 3y agoHappy paying 3x more?
- fourstepper 3y agoI don't think price is the main issue for most people in tech
- spookie 3y agoDepends where you were born ig
- ponector 3y agoFor many people in tech price of the new MacBook is greater than monthly net salary.
- moooo99 3y ago+ 1. to get a usable MBP spec (i.e. at least 1TB disk and 24GB RAM) you’re looking at a 2,689€ price tag here in Germany. Not an issue if it’s company provided, but outside, this is more than two months worth of rent and a substantial part of a post tax income of a software engineer in Germany.
- xcv123 3y agoThe equivalent Dell Precision laptop is about the same price. A laptop lasts for several years so thats only a few hundred euros per year.
- ekianjo 3y agoThis comment only applies to tech people working in the US, and mostly California.
- akovaski 3y agoI was a bit surprised when I read "4x USB, HDMI and 2x Mini DisplayPort". It looks like it doesn't have 2 actual Mini DisplayPorts, but instead the 2 USB-C ports support DisplayPort 1.4. It's been a while since I was tempted to buy a laptop (granted I don't really look), but this configuration and price seems pretty great. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_DisplayPort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_DisplayPort
- matheusmoreira 3y ago> With the TUXEDO Control Center you are able to control the performance and the behavior of the fans by yourself. I remember seeing this project years ago when I tried to reverse engineer my own laptop's fan control functions. https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-control-center https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-control-center I actually tried to make it work on my laptop back then. Didn't succeed unfortunately. I'd really enjoy reading about how they figured out the power management and fan control stuff. I couldn't figure it out. Did they have to reverse engineer? As a manufacturer, do they have access to documentation? I emailed Clevo asking for documentation and they didn't send me anything helpful.
- boudin 3y agoI can't really confirm if it's the place to look at, but the tuxedo control center works in pair with their kernel module https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-keyboard https://github.com/tuxedocomputers/tuxedo-keyboard As the name wrongly imply, it is not just about controlling the keyboard. At least on my laptop (an aura15 gen 2), a whole chunk of the control center is not available when the module is not loaded. Not sure if it will help but you might want to look into this module as well for your investigation.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoOh yeah, I remember that now. Back then I looked up those UUIDs on my laptop but none matched. The keyboard features are also different: they're implemented via ACPI on the Tuxedo laptops and via USB control messages on mine. It's weird. There's all this Clevo ACPI/WMI stuff in those headers but when I dumped my laptop's DSDT tables there was nothing like that. I found some WMI code in there, ran them through a decompiler I found in a GitHub repository and just got back some empty stub code. I still feel disappointed about it. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DSDT https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DSDT It's really cool that they added sysfs LED controls. I remember looking into that as well. I was planning to send USB LED driver to the kernel but while reading kernel dricer source code and mailing lists to learn how to do it I came across comments saying they prefer to keep stuff in user space whenever possible. This is my driver in case anyone's interested: https://github.com/matheusmoreira/ite-829x https://github.com/matheusmoreira/ite-829x I just remembered something else. They used to be on bitbucket instead of github. In 2018 I messaged them there. https://bitbucket.org/tuxedocomputers/clevo-xsm-wmi/issues/44/the-status-and-the-future-of-tuxedo-clevo https://bitbucket.org/tuxedocomputers/clevo-xsm-wmi/issues/4... They asked me to email them. I did and they actually sent me the control center software before they released it and also some details about how they were interfacing with the laptop's embedded controller. I still have those emails, they were very helpful. Very nice company and people.
- xbar 3y agoThis looks really good. If I had any reason to buy a laptop today, this design would be at the top of my list.
- lhl 3y agoPretty decent specs if you're OK w/ 32GB of (fast) soldered memory and don't need an ANSI keyboard (there is an EN-US ISO option). It's interesting to compare to the their Intel Infinity Book Pro Gen8 offering - that has a DDR5 SODIMMs, 99Wh battery, and is actually slightly lighter than the Pulse (also a brighter 400nit vs 300nit display), although you give up 1 M.2 SSD slot, it's 40% more expensive, and even with the much larger capacity runtime and performance is about the same or worse, since Intel. Another good option for current-gen (7040) Ryzen ultra-portable Linux laptops is the Framework 13. A little pricier, 1 x M.2, but you get 2 x DDR5 SODIMMs, a 400nit+ display, and Framework has made good on their upgrade promises (this is their 4th drop-in replacement motherboard that runs in the same chassis and it seems like they're going to keep going). It has a very active Linux user community on their forums as well.
- dajonker 3y agoNo ANSI keyboard might be a deal breaker for my muscle memory and external keyboards (mechanical and MX keys that I had to import from the US because Logitech only sells ISO in the EU)
- sonicanatidae 3y agoThere's nothing wrong with having a preference. In fact, keyboards and mice are one of the most common things where people have set preferences. The thread will argue it, and they are welcome to, but you want what you want. :)
- prmoustache 3y agoWhy do you need a "specific keyboard" if your muscle memory is there? Just map it to whatever works for you. I am typing all the time in us alt international on various physical keyboards that have printed buttons in spanish qwerty, swiss french qwertz and plain ansi us keyboards. It is only a problem for those that have very little experience/use of the keyboard.
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- Epa095 3y agoNot bad. But I wonder why they went for 7840HS, instead of the lower TDP 7840u. Spec wise this one is quite close to lenovo t14s/p14s gen 4, which can also be configured with a similar screen (there is also the yoga slim 7 gen 8, but it has a glossy screen).
- fyrn_ 3y agoThis config is GPU-less so it has the thermal / power budget to handle it. It's kind of meant as developer machine. As far as I can tell the trend was first started by the Mechrevo code 01. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-4000-mechrevo-laptop-arrives-without-discrete-gpu https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-4000-mechrevo-la... Which actually got a decent amount of press have some initial Twitter hype. Several other Clevo based brands followed like Tuxedo and XMG. Not sure that Clevo actually intended it as a dev focused config originally, but they definitely leaned into it with later revisions after they saw the enthusiasm. Not for everyone, personally the Framework 16 appeals a lot more to me (I've preorded), but when I was in college the pure CPU maximization probably would have won me over.
- lhl 3y agoThe Mechrevo Code 01 was a Tong Fang ODM chassis. XMG/Tuxedo (sister companies) have varying laptop models from both Tong Fang (Uniwill now?) and Clevo. Historically, a lot of devs using Linux laptops have preferred iGPU models both to maximize useful perf/watt (dGPUs models tended to drain power much faster even when idle) and b/c most dGPU laptops are Nvidia-based and the driver issues used to be terrible. I wonder if that calculus will be changing now w/ local LLM code-helpers and other AI apps benefit greatly from stronger GPUs.
- lhl 3y agoIt might come down to availability, although in general I prefer the higher wattage chips since they will usually have higher specced cooling and if you want to lower power consumption, you can use a tool like ryzenadj to lower power limits (but usually not increase power, which is usually hardware locked).
- cyclever 3y agoI bet you can only run Ubuntu and derivatives on this. As a die-hard Arch user Tuxedo is a bad choice.
- boudin 3y agoWhy do you say that? You can run whatever distribution you want, i run arch on a tuxedo laptop with no issue. Tuxedo laptops are not perfect but i find them a good choice for running Linux, whatever distribution you prefer.
- d--b 3y agoWhat's not perfect about Tuxedo laptops? It's the first time I hear about these, and it seems they have a great spec/price ratio. This is definitely a brand I'd consider buying.
- boudin 3y agoOn mine (an aura 15 gen 2) the webcam and speakers are really not great. I don't mind as I knew that before buying it, so no disappointment. On the plus side they really do support Linux, they provide a kernel module and control center app to control things like keyboard leds and power profiles, which does a good job. I find this quite good for a small company like Tuxedo. I'm happy with my laptop and will consider Tuxedo again next time I need a computer, but I definitely advise to look at reviews beforehand.
- _0ffh 3y agoAgreed, I've got an Aura 15 as well a few years ago, and I consider it a good buy price/performance wise. I had originally ordered a different, slightly more expensive model, and had no trouble at all with customer service to send it back in exchange for the Aura and a refund, which impressed me very positively. I run Debian on the laptop and had no trouble with it.
- tormeh 3y agoMicrophone on mine was pretty bad, without exaggerating. The procedure for updating the BIOS was the worst I’ve ever seen. Maybe if you run TuxedoOS it can be done in a better way. I once left it at full charge on the shelf for a month (possibly two) and the battery inflated. Admittedly not a smart move by me, but still. Support is excellent, though, and I got a free replacement battery. If you can get a Dell with Linux I’d say that was a smoother experience for sure. That said, I don’t want to be all negative: It’s nice to buy a laptop and 100% know that all the hardware works with Linux. That’s worth a lot to me.
- chme 3y agoStrange, for a company, advertising to the Linux community, to offer only Laptops with Nvidia dGPUs, where you actually have to taint your kernel/userspace with proprietary software in order to use it.
- mariusor 3y agoWhat do you mean "only"? This specific model has a AMD Radeon 780M card.
- chme 3y agoBut that is a iGPU.
- mariusor 3y agoBut the laptop does not have an Nvidia graphic card.
- chme 3y agoWell, aparantly my comment is not about this laptop then, because this laptop doesn't have a dGPU. (But you are right, maybe I should have formulated it better. I meant all Laptops with dGPU they offer are with a Nvidia dGPU.)
- Darmody 3y agoThere are basically no laptops with AMD GPUs. Why? I don't know. I think in the last months I've only seen one and I don't remember it as a laptop someone would buy.
- chme 3y agoWell, this is a company that creates Linux laptops. So if they decide to offer laptops with dGPU, they might want to use hardware that is well supported by Linux. Laptops with Nvidia dGPUs are available from many/most other manufacturers, as you said, so there is no real reason to buy them from them. Especially if they offer sub-par Linux experience.
- mariusor 3y agoI own one of the previous generations of this laptop and I want to say that the batteries are a bit of a sham (hopefully they're better in this new one). I've had to change them once a year, because they drop from 100% health to 60% in less than 12 months. Each replacement was around 80-90EUR.
- luckyshot 3y agoI've had similar issues. At a few months old, the laptop (a Tuxedo InfinityBook Pro 14 Gen 6) couldn't hold a meeting. Their customer service suggested I disabled the graphics card and to throttle the CPU, converting a $2000 laptop into a $1000 one spec-wise. After a year and a half, I've just moved to a Thinkpad at half the cost and I couldn't be happier. I wanted to support a smaller company rather than Lenovo but that's how it is, there where many other nuances I had to deal with (2 dead pixels, awful sound, microphone was meh, TuxedoOS started giving me kernel problems every update...).
- bflesch 3y agoAmazing. I own the Gen2 and am very happy with it. Good to see that now you don't need the stupid dock any more in order to run multiple screens, but you can do it via the 2x USB-C and the HDMI with the new model. I can only recommend this laptop.
- lta 3y agoI own a Gen 1, and outside of the very noisy fans and the useless sound card, everything works really well. I would also recommend this laptop
- toastal 3y agoIPS panel & only 100% sRGB? Linux laptops keeping the trend of mediocre displays. And to boot: no USB4, & unergonomic ISO key layout instead of an ANSI option
- Diti 3y agoShame that an extra 30 EUR must be paid for French users to use the non-legacy AZERTY+ (NF Z71-300) keyboard layout. I believe the only one proposed is the old AZERTY layout.